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Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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Short version

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[Status]: Europe, pre-incorporation, two working on a project for more than a year, reached private beta in May but have no users. Started to look for investors. I am the tech guy, my cofounder is the sales guy (talks a lot, befriends almost anyone, never says no) with some tech knowledge (he thinks he's a coding rockstar but he's not).

[Problems]: he refuses to communicate, doesn't include me in talks with potential investors he gets via his contacts, I have almost no money anymore (he has significantly more and is much more worry-free). I mentioned splitting our codebase and parting our ways - he threatened to talk to lawyers about it (at first, he tried to be friendly then).

[Questions]: What should I do? Is it dead already? Would it be too unethical to e-mail the potential investors myself without a proper introduction? What about splitting the code? Could he use the lawyers somehow? (we have no written agreements whatsoever)

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He pitched our project to investors, befriended them, got hired by them to help them with projects they invested into. I asked to be included in talks with potential investors but was ignored for the most part. He offered to let me help to some of the "VC's" portfolio companies as a side-job. He says that they will invest in us sometime in late September. He wants to raise $1m or more. I think that's insane.

We have a prototype because I pushed for it. I have to fight with him so that he doesn't implement yet another feature or doesn't reimplement something for which we could easily get an existing library.

I told him many times I am not satisfied with our execution and our mutual communication.

I guess it's better to end it now? I am afraid that after incorporation and possible funding there would be only more problems.

Codebase: we worked on quite clearly separated modules, I designed the overall architecture.

Thanks for reading and comments.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#2
1. If you already addressed this with him and he's not communicating, its over already. And the way he's acting is not going to be good moving forward. Why is he working for the VCs?

2. Another reg flag for me is if there is one thing I hate more than anything is people who purposely lie about what they know or what they can do for no apparent reason. If he can't code, he can't code. Simple as that.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#3
What is the agreement on equity, etc? Is it concrete? What are the chances he will remove you from the company? What is it worth to you to go after him if he does that? Is he just leading you on so you keep doing work on a prototype or project he may just abandon - though expect ownership from still? What are your overall skills? Are you working on other projects to pay bills? Do you have other ideas you'd enjoy working on? I could ask more questions though the issue really is the lack of transparency. It doesn't sound like he's explaining anything to you. Him getting hired by VCs sounds a bit like conflict of interest, though it could be innocent, especially if he has said that he's still expecting to raise $X amount.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#5

1. If you already addressed this with him and he's not communicating, its over already. And the way he's acting is not going to be good moving forward. Why is he working for the VCs? 2. Another reg flag for me is if there is one thing I hate more than anything is people who purposely lie about what they know or what they can do for no apparent reason. If he can't code, he can't code. Simple as that.

1. He's working for the VCs (that's what he calls them I think it's rather a beginning startup accelerator) because they promised to invest in us if he helps them. 2. Well, he's sincerely convinced of his skills. That's part of the problem.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#6
First, there should have been a discussion about who makes the ultimate decisions - him or you.

Has your code formally been added as an asset that the company owns? If not, you may still technically own all the rights to the code, and be able to do what you want.

Second, what is the potential of the product, and what is your passion like? Do you want to take this company over and make it a success, or would you rather just move on? Certainly easier to just move on, but finding another business cofounder is not a super difficult task (there are hundreds of people who would love to do it). Or since you are out of money, are you considering getting a part time job instead?

It seems odd that your cofounder 'got hired' while he was supposedly working as a 'cofounder' - at this point it should have been a flag that hes not committed and you should have cut him loose. Next time you are sacrificing a lot of time and money, make sure you have the control to fire someone if they aren't working out.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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What is the agreement on equity, etc? Is it concrete? What are the chances he will remove you from the company? What is it worth to you to go after him if he does that? Is he just leading you on so you keep doing work on a prototype or project he may just abandon - though expect ownership from still? What are your overall skills? Are you working on other projects to pay bills? Do you have other ideas you'd enjoy work…

The agreement on equity is 50/50. It's originally my idea and the stuff that's technically interesting in it is mostly my work. I very much doubt he could pull it off just by himself (technically). I'd have more technical chances of success but less business (which is why I chose to work with him).

I made the mistake to work solely on this project and to rely on my savings. Only lately I've started to look around for project to pay the bills and I see fulltime employment as probably the only currently viable way to go (I finished my CS PhD (SemanticWeb) about a year ago and although I do have coding skills and industry experience, it's not enough, I feel I need more experience to do consulting and more networking, etc. to do freelancing).

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

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post #3

What is the agreement on equity, etc? Is it concrete? What are the chances he will remove you from the company? What is it worth to you to go after him if he does that? Is he just leading you on so you keep doing work on a prototype or project he may just abandon - though expect ownership from still? What are your overall skills? Are you working on other projects to pay bills? Do you have other ideas you'd enjoy work…

The agreement on equity is 50/50. It's originally my idea and the stuff that's technically interesting in it is mostly my work. I very much doubt he could pull it off just by himself (technically). I'd have more technical chances of success but less business (which is why I chose to work with him). I made the mistake to work solely on this project and to rely on my savings. Only lately I've started to look around for…

Man, if it's your idea and if you've done most of the work, get some balls and fight for your project !

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#9
post #5

1. If you already addressed this with him and he's not communicating, its over already. And the way he's acting is not going to be good moving forward. Why is he working for the VCs? 2. Another reg flag for me is if there is one thing I hate more than anything is people who purposely lie about what they know or what they can do for no apparent reason. If he can't code, he can't code. Simple as that.

1. He's working for the VCs (that's what he calls them I think it's rather a beginning startup accelerator) because they promised to invest in us if he helps them. 2. Well, he's sincerely convinced of his skills. That's part of the problem.

From personal experience, all I can say is absolute trust and strong communication from your cofounder is absolute. You guys lack that and having to address it at all is already a red flag in my book. Given that you brought it up and things still haven't improved, its time to shut down or talk to an attorney to sign him off. Clearly this will not go well in the long run if things don't change.

Re: Ask HN: Cofounder conflict, startup dying or dead for a long time already?

#10
Sounds like you got a bad cofounder. I was listening to a VentureHacks talk about finding a cofounder, and they had two main points:

1. Is your team making progress? Because startups have fewer people and resources, your founding team needs to be effective producers.

2. Do you guys trust each other to have your back? An example they gave was how two cofounders were arguing over equity. Instead of arguing that the other guy should get less equity, they were doing the opposite and insisting that the other guy should be getting more. And from that, they knew there was some underlying trust that drove their decisions.

Seems like this guy is breaking that trust repeatedly by doing weird stuff. And continues to do it after your confrontation. This sounds like a situation that will only get worse.

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