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Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Re: Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Post by JohnFen »

Interesting. It's hard to be sure from the vague notice, but it appears that the request is inappropriate. The only thing they state that could potentially apply to SO would be copyright violation, but they don't point to any actual instances of SO violating copyright. Copyright does not prevent people from asking and answering questions about a copyrighted thing.

Re: Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Post by lotyrin »

JohnFen wrote: post #3

Interesting. It's hard to be sure from the vague notice, but it appears that the request is inappropriate. The only thing they state that could potentially apply to SO would be copyright violation, but they don't point to any actual instances of SO violating copyright. Copyright does not prevent people from asking and answering questions about a copyrighted thing.

Even if it did, I don't see how they could imagine that would apply retroactively, even with the "confusion" or whatever. "Please take down a piece of your property and of internet history about our product... because it reminds people of when it used to have a more permissive license and that's inconvenient to us as the people who want to restrict it."

Re: Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Post by johntb86 »

lotyrin wrote: post #4
JohnFen wrote: post #3

Interesting. It's hard to be sure from the vague notice, but it appears that the request is inappropriate. The only thing they state that could potentially apply to SO would be copyright violation, but they don't point to any actual instances of SO violating copyright. Copyright does not prevent people from asking and answering questions about a copyrighted thing.

Even if it did, I don't see how they could imagine that would apply retroactively, even with the "confusion" or whatever. "Please take down a piece of your property and of internet history about our product... because it reminds people of when it used to have a more permissive license and that's inconvenient to us as the people who want to restrict it."

I don't see any reason to believe this was requested by the Anaconda developers. For example, it refers to the Anaconda developers in the third person: "For example adding a footnote in a 2014 answer to state Anaconda has started restricting commercial usage is insufficient and misleading, as they have restricted nearly all usage later."

This seems more likely to have been written by some third party who'd annoyed about the license change.

Re: Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Post by throwaway56721 »

Isn't this gaslighting and bullying?

Why would StackOverflow need to delete mentions of trademarked or closed-source software? SO doesn't need to delete mentions of Windows, though their license terms have changed to require MS login, for example.

I am not an employee of Anaconda. I don't know anything else about their ongoing actions given terms that apply to commercial entities FWIU.

One should not legally threaten third parties with false authority about copyright, trademark, wordmark or the like.

If you do not want to pay Anaconda for their package manager and package repos of mostly open source code, you can use conda-forge with micromamba or conda or mamba or pixi, which are all BSD licensed.

FWIW, the conda-forge repos are also hosted by Anaconda at Anaconda's expense.

Re: Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Post by throwaway56721 »

throwaway56721 wrote: post #6

Isn't this gaslighting and bullying? Why would StackOverflow need to delete mentions of trademarked or closed-source software? SO doesn't need to delete mentions of Windows, though their license terms have changed to require MS login, for example. I am not an employee of Anaconda. I don't know anything else about their ongoing actions given terms that apply to commercial entities FWIU. One should not legally threaten…

Actually, the MS Windows license terms haven't changed to require login.

Is there a way to mirror conda-forge packages; or donate to a foundation for bandwidth, storage, maintenance, and package maintenance costs?

Re: Requesting formal removal of all anaconda posts for copyright violation

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Post by Cerium »

johntb86 wrote: post #5
lotyrin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it did, I don't see how they could imagine that would apply retroactively, even with the "confusion" or whatever. "Please take down a piece of your property and of internet history about our product... because it reminds people of when it used to have a more permissive license and that's inconvenient to us as the people who want to restrict it."

I don't see any reason to believe this was requested by the Anaconda developers. For example, it refers to the Anaconda developers in the third person: "For example adding a footnote in a 2014 answer to state Anaconda has started restricting commercial usage is insufficient and misleading, as they have restricted nearly all usage later." This seems more likely to have been written by some third party who'd annoyed ab…

Agreed, no signature, etc. I think it is somebody unhappy who wishes to hurt the ecosystem to hurt the company's future profits.
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