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Re: Sovereign Lumber

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A better analogy would be man-hours as lumber, OS and browsers as buildings, IDEs as factories, forges or shipyards and finally end-user software as furniture and the like.

As for overcoming the tension between user autonomy and developer compensation, my hope is that evolving decentralized platforms and AI tools will bring about a time when all users can collaborate in the creation and maintenance of most software they are using.

Re: Sovereign Lumber

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A better analogy would be man-hours as lumber, OS and browsers as buildings, IDEs as factories, forges or shipyards and finally end-user software as furniture and the like. As for overcoming the tension between user autonomy and developer compensation, my hope is that evolving decentralized platforms and AI tools will bring about a time when all users can collaborate in the creation and maintenance of most software t…

i prefer to think of it as (public) infrastructure - like roads, for cars/buses/trucks or trains, including (to some extent) the cars themselves. Roads also decay - themselves or their supporting (eco)system shifts under them, be it dirt or water or tree-roots. And are public property, because has been deemed useful for the society to invest in them and let them be accessible and usable for free.

One may say that it is only the hardware (bare metal), or hardware plus virtualisation (IaC).. or even include OS in it.. but that would be up to road. You can walk on road - as end-user of that alone. Most people - end-users - would use a bus. Or train. Which is end-user software.

if the human society has entered the Information age, then these things that allow information to flow and to be entered or consumed, should become part of the society-funded infrastructure. Kind-a information (hardware+software)-tax, yes. With proper rules to spend that on proper topics.

Having roads is deemed strategic. Having communication-channels as well. So.. having information-level-fabric is too, no?

Edit: just saw this tangentially related: UN+OSI https://unite.un.org/news/osi-first-endorse-united-nations-o... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43340682

Re: Sovereign Lumber

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A better analogy would be man-hours as lumber, OS and browsers as buildings, IDEs as factories, forges or shipyards and finally end-user software as furniture and the like. As for overcoming the tension between user autonomy and developer compensation, my hope is that evolving decentralized platforms and AI tools will bring about a time when all users can collaborate in the creation and maintenance of most software t…

> my hope is that evolving decentralized platforms and AI tools will bring about a time when all users can collaborate in the creation and maintenance of most software they are using.

How would this happen without AGPL licenses exactly?

Re: Sovereign Lumber

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All the tech heads at the inauguration, from the bald ones to the Tim Cooks and Sundar Pichais, participated under the assumption that it would preserve their piece of the pie. Independence, sovereignty, and self-sustainability are going to be big driving factors for how people build for the future now.

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I think that, at least for b2b software, there's a lack of appreciation here for the role compliance plays. The author cites both googles and Microsofts office tools, but they really suck. My fiancee has to use Microsoft, and now I do too; no one likes them! Their janky online office actually deletes text as I type!

However, I know that the only reason my company is using it is because it makes compliance really easy, and they just don't have the bandwidth to take on more. This is further complicated by microsofts, let's say not great security record, which indicates that security compliance is really more of a box checking activity than anything else.

This is where Europe could come in. By lowering the barrier or, even better, coming up with requirements that required something closer to real security, you could seriously challenge these US companies.

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post #5

All the tech heads at the inauguration, from the bald ones to the Tim Cooks and Sundar Pichais, participated under the assumption that it would preserve their piece of the pie. Independence, sovereignty, and self-sustainability are going to be big driving factors for how people build for the future now.

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Re: Sovereign Lumber

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The election of Donald Trump shows that the world needs to become independent from the U.S. This is a video about Digital Sovereignty in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWS8J2Zs7KQ

Posted on an American video sharing site…

If this is something you truly believe in, lead by example.

Re: Sovereign Lumber

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I do like the thrust of this article - it is the sort of principle-based reasoning that I can get behind. Like all principle-based reasoning; it is for the small number of people organising for change. Most humans (including most politicians and administrators) aren't principles-based and, indeed, are almost always in a state of causing problems by acting randomly based on short-term incentives.

The real issue in the EU is not that they don't understand the problems in outcome, but that in the US people can get rich by selling software products (particularly SAAS & advertising) and people in the EU cannot. Therefore, the US has a huge structural advantage because they control everything. We know they have the people - Torvalds and Sergey Brin spring to mind. Big European success stories, except for the fact that they aren't really European any more.

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