Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
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#2yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#3yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.
Some countries have already started. JEF can operate as part of NATO, or separately. The organisation is also nuclear armed, thanks to the UK.
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#4Every now and then, a French president floats the idea of Euronukes:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09662839.2020.1...
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#5yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.
...and before you know it the old rivalries flare up again on who is to be the leader of this fourth iteration of a European empire. Germany versus France, France versus the UK, Germany versus Poland, Italy versus France, a combination of some of these versus one of the others.
A 'European army' would be under the control of... the EU? Some new organisation to be specifically created for this purpose? Some committee-designed scheme of rotating leadership between the main powers in Europe?
These are not spurious questions. Europe is a large and diverse place, far more diverse than e.g. the USA. Would such an army serve to protect Hungary as well as Spain, Sweden as well as the Czech republic, Poland as well as Germany? Even if some of those countries do not care to fall in line with the agenda set by the Eurocrats in Brussels?
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#6Power comes from the barrel of a gun. Once again the Chinese were right but we didn't listen...
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#7Some folks are arguing even further, "Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons immediately":
> The modern world is a place where nuclear-armed great powers, led by authoritarian leaders, often feel the impulse to bully smaller nations. If those smaller nations lack nuclear weapons, they lie prostrate and vulnerable at the feet of the bullies. But if they have nukes, they are much harder to push around. This doesn’t mean they’re impervious to attack — Israel has been struck by Iran and its proxies — but having nukes dramatically improves a small country’s security.
* https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/japan-south-korea-and-poland-n...
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#8yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.
...and before you know it the old rivalries flare up again on who is to be the leader of this fourth iteration of a European empire. Germany versus France, France versus the UK, Germany versus Poland, Italy versus France, a combination of some of these versus one of the others. A 'European army' would be under the control of... the EU? Some new organisation to be specifically created for this purpose? Some committee-…
Not as long as there is an adversary I.e. the new US-Russia alliance.
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#9Given that the Trump administration aligns itself with Russia and North Korea, the EU will need it. The US convinced Ukraine to scrap their nukes as they promised they would come to Ukraine's aid if needed. Trump is basically exploiting the situation to gain access to their natural resources. He's also telling them to let Russia keep the territory they stole when they Invaded Ukraine. Yes imagine that, Russia starting a war. Our country is so gaslit, our own citizens don't know right from wrong; fact from fiction. Protect your networks ppl. It's only going to get worse.
Re: Macron to open debate on extending French nuclear protection to European allies
#10yeah, they're going to have to build a new NATO-like alliance and go it alone. Seems like it would be a good thing if the EU had some military teeth of their own to give them more leverage in all the Bad Things going on now.
The EU already also has a mutual defense clause extremely similar to NATO though