Russia has created a new elite spy unit
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Re: Russia has created a new elite spy unit
#2The organization was planning:
- assasination of the CEO of Rheinmetall... the largest defense company in Germany
- explosive devices on planes destined for the United States
- arson throughout Europe
Serious characters.
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#3What would the value of crashing a bunch of cargo planes be?
One plane could be believed to be an accident / inconclusive. So you crashed one plane, that's not getting you much.
Many planes would ... what? Again you don't get much if you crash a bunch of cargo planes, even passenger planes. It would be destructive and disruptive and horrible, but not crippling to any nation. The scale of being a pariah nation would just increase. What do you get out of that if you're Russia?
It seems more like something a smaller terrorist org would do, or a messed up cult.
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#4What would the value of crashing a bunch of cargo planes be? One plane could be believed to be an accident / inconclusive. So you crashed one plane, that's not getting you much. Many planes would ... what? Again you don't get much if you crash a bunch of cargo planes, even passenger planes. It would be destructive and disruptive and horrible, but not crippling to any nation. The scale of being a pariah nation would j…
> It seems more like something a smaller terrorist org would do, or a messed up cult.
Congratulations, you figured out what russia truly is.
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#5What would the value of crashing a bunch of cargo planes be? One plane could be believed to be an accident / inconclusive. So you crashed one plane, that's not getting you much. Many planes would ... what? Again you don't get much if you crash a bunch of cargo planes, even passenger planes. It would be destructive and disruptive and horrible, but not crippling to any nation. The scale of being a pariah nation would j…
> It seems more like something a smaller terrorist org would do, or a messed up cult. Congratulations, you figured out what russia truly is.
Reminds me of The Wire when some gang members tried shooting someone on the wrong day (Sunday), in the presence of his mom while going to church, both being considered inappropriate by other gangs. The response was "good help is hard to find".
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#6What would the value of crashing a bunch of cargo planes be? One plane could be believed to be an accident / inconclusive. So you crashed one plane, that's not getting you much. Many planes would ... what? Again you don't get much if you crash a bunch of cargo planes, even passenger planes. It would be destructive and disruptive and horrible, but not crippling to any nation. The scale of being a pariah nation would j…
Essentially an escalatory action in response to US support in order to signal their seriousness about their territorial expansion.
It says... We can touch you in the United States and are willing to do it. The implication is that they might even be willing to conduct terrorist attacks against our civilians.
Could be a play that they thought might put them in a better negotiation position... If you can believe that.
This is my read as a civilian who follows war. I am not an expert.
Frankly, I posted this hoping to attract some discussion amongst those who might actually be able to provide a decent read.
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#7What would the value of crashing a bunch of cargo planes be? One plane could be believed to be an accident / inconclusive. So you crashed one plane, that's not getting you much. Many planes would ... what? Again you don't get much if you crash a bunch of cargo planes, even passenger planes. It would be destructive and disruptive and horrible, but not crippling to any nation. The scale of being a pariah nation would j…
Essentially an escalatory action in response to US support in order to signal their seriousness about their territorial expansion. It says... We can touch you in the United States and are willing to do it. The implication is that they might even be willing to conduct terrorist attacks against our civilians. Could be a play that they thought might put them in a better negotiation position... If you can believe that. T…
I don't really buy into the idea that it puts them in a position to negotiate much. It would just escalate things, solidify support against them. If they've got hopes of fracturing the west, this would be the opposite.
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#8Keep on outsourcing all of our jobs right next door to this madman Big Tech.
Fools actually think Russia is going to stop once Trump gives them a hugeee beatuiful chunk of Ukraine
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#9An "elite" spy unit that WSJ knows about its existence and operations.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Essentially an escalatory action in response to US support in order to signal their seriousness about their territorial expansion. It says... We can touch you in the United States and are willing to do it. The implication is that they might even be willing to conduct terrorist attacks against our civilians. Could be a play that they thought might put them in a better negotiation position... If you can believe that. T…
I don't really buy into the idea that it puts them in a position to negotiate much. It would just escalate things, solidify support against them. If they've got hopes of fracturing the west, this would be the opposite.
I make no argument regarding whether their actions are effective or not. Only suggesting what they might be thinking are the reasons they take these actions.
Honestly if they had blown up our planes... I'd say there is a real chance we blow up that shiny building where they planned that.
It's even possible we told them exactly that and this is why the plot didn't continue.