I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by 0x2a » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:09 PM UTC

I don't like Docker or Podman
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Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by bitfilped » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

I like your post, I still prefer zones and jails over anything in the Linux ecosystem. Building and admining an on-prem k8s cluster has only enforced this opinion.

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by akanet » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

All of the author's complaints are correct, of course, but the question is simply whether the juice is worth the squeeze. For the most part, I think, it is.

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by mkoubaa » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

The most evil pattern is when application developers force users to install Docker to use their applications.

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by Vampiero » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:23 PM UTC

Cool story but at least try to give some argumentation when you say stuff like:

>The design of the language in Dockerfile is ad hoc in a bad way. It’s difficult to understand, for me, and easy to make mistakes.

Because that reads like a skill issue to me

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by RestartKernel » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:23 PM UTC

> I prefer to use virtual machines. They’re slower to set up, and start up a little slower too [...]

LXD containers solved a lot of the problems inherit to virtual machines for me, though I don't like their reliance on global configs (something like Docker compose for LXD containers would be ideal).

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by mt42or » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:23 PM UTC

Sysadmin, the old way.

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by luismedel » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:24 PM UTC

Honestly, the title should be "I don't like Docker because I don't know how to do certain things, so I prefer to do things the way I know better".

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by jasonpeacock » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:25 PM UTC

  1. I got hurt by Docker.
  2. I don't want to learn Docker.
  3. I got hurt by Docker more.
  4. I don't trust DockerHub.
  5. Podman is just like Docker.
  6. I prefer VMs because I understand them, even though I know they are slower.
  7. Don't try to explain Docker to me.

A rant, nothing to see here, move along.

Re: I don't like Docker or Podman

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Post by Pooge » Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:25 PM UTC

> The command line interface is really badly designed. It’s ugly, hard to learn, difficult to remember, illogical, inconsistent, and just makes no sense to me at all.

I wonder if the author could elaborate here.