Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#2Are either Israelis or Gazans more secure than when this war began? What has either side achieved?
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#3How is this hacker news? From the HN guidelines:
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. *If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.*
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#4I credit Trump's pressure on Hamas - Hamas eventually softened a lot of their positions because they realized they had no choice.
And I wish Biden had done a better job of supporting Israel, this war could have ended a lot sooner if Hamas had realized that the entire world was pressuring them to surrender. Instead the message got diluted with support for Palestinians, which Hamas interpreted as support for themselves.
Did you hear a single call by any country for Hamas to surrender? I didn't.
Edit: I got a very quick -4 mod on this, I assume because people don't like to realize Trump is doing more for both Israel and the Palestinians than Biden, and the Democrats lost the election partly because of their lack of support for Israel.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#5Are either Israelis or Gazans more secure than when this war began? What has either side achieved?
The strengthening of the "us Vs them" mentality and terror politics
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#6Yes, eventually.
I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#7Are either Israelis or Gazans more secure than when this war began? What has either side achieved?
Israeli's are (not that they think it was worth it), Gazan's are not. This war severely weakened Iran, Iran's proxies (Lebanon/Hezbollah, and Syria) and also interestingly Russia.
Gazan's now have a ruined country with exactly nothing to show for it.
Depending on how you interpret it, this war was actually a good thing for Lebanon (they have a government for the first time in years), and Syria who finally overthrew their sadistic monster.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#8> Negotiations on implementing the second phase of the deal will begin by the 16th day of phase one, and this stage was expected to include the release of all remaining hostages, a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza.
Am I missing something or did they really only agree to _just_ a ceasefire?
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#9Are either Israelis or Gazans more secure than when this war began? What has either side achieved?
Can you concretely suggest what each side should have done at some point in time, to avoid being where we are now? I feel like you're making a rhetorical statement that's hard to map to specific actions.
Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza
#10Are either Israelis or Gazans more secure than when this war began? What has either side achieved?
Israel has a bunch of land that is politically and practically simpler to annex, than before. Israel is more secure by far, knowing that the US will continue to fund them even in the face of being convicted of humanitarian crimes.