Extracting AI models from mobile apps
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Extracting AI models from mobile apps
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#2Can anyone explain that resize_to_320.tflite file? Surely they aren't using an AI model to resize images? Right?
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#3> Keep in mind that AI models [...] are considered intellectual property
Is it ironic or missing a /s? I can't really tell here.
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#4“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.”
That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
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#5> Keep in mind that AI models [...] are considered intellectual property Is it ironic or missing a /s? I can't really tell here.
Standard disclaimer. Like inserting a bunch of 'hypothetically' in a comment telling one where to find some piece of abandoned media where using an unsanctioned channel would entail infringing upon someone's intellectual property.
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#6Can anyone explain that resize_to_320.tflite file? Surely they aren't using an AI model to resize images? Right?
tflite files can contain a ResizeOp that resizes the image: https://ai.google.dev/edge/api/tflite/java/org/tensorflow/li...
The file is only 7.7kb, so it couldn't contain many weights anyways.
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#7“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.” That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
It's also worth noting that there is still no legal clarity on these issues, even if a license claims to provide specific permissions.
Additionally, the debate around the sources companies use to train their models remains unresolved, raising ethical and legal questions about data ownership and consent.
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#8“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.” That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
Circumventing a copy-prevention system without a valid exemption is a crime, even if you don't make unlawful copies. Copyright covers the right to make copies, not the right to distribute; "doing what you want with it yourself" may or may not be covered by fair use. Whether or not model weights are copyrightable remains an open question.
Re: Extracting AI models from mobile apps
#9“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.” That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
Circumventing a copy-prevention system without a valid exemption is a crime, even if you don't make unlawful copies. Copyright covers the right to make copies, not the right to distribute; "doing what you want with it yourself" may or may not be covered by fair use. Whether or not model weights are copyrightable remains an open question. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201
>Circumventing a copy-prevention system without a valid exemption is a crime, even if you don't make unlawful copies. Copyright covers the right to make copies, not the right to distribute; "doing what you want with it yourself" may or may not be covered by fair use. Whether or not model weights are copyrightable remains an open question.
If that is the law, it is a defect that we need to fix. Laws do not come down from heaven in the form of commandments. We, humans, write laws. If there is a defect in the laws, we should fix it.
If this is the law, time shifting and format shifting is unlawful as well which to me is unacceptable.
Disclaimer: As usual, I anal.
Re: Extracting AI models from mobile apps
#10“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.” That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
I'm not even sure if event the first part is true. Has it been determined if AI models are intellectual property? Machine generated content may not be copyrightable. It isn't just the output of generative AI that falls under this, the models themselves are.
Can you copyright a set of coefficients for a formula? In the sense of a JPEG it would be considered that the image being reproduced is the thing that has the copyright. Being the first to run the calculations that produces a compressed version of that data should not grant you any special rights to that compressed form.
An AI model is just a form of that writ large. When the models generalize and create new content, it seems hard to see how that either the output or the model that generated it could be considered someone's property.
People possess models, I'm not sure if they own them.
There are however billions of dollars at play here and enough money can buy you whichever legal opinion you want.