Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
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Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
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Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#2Israel has exceptionally great PR, especially with people in power.
Palestinians have horrible PR (carrying dead bodies on the crowd's hands in tiny streets, is not something westeners relate to).
In Europe a large part of a generation believes that the holocaust is the reason the state of Israel needs to be. Why is Israel not founded on a repurposed piece of Germany then?
Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#3This doesn't need to be a link to some random dude's video because there's a perfectly fine Wikipedia article about Bertrand Russell and his views.
He held a variety of views and I hope this particular dude doesn't intend to paint Russell as source of truth.
> In 1929, he wrote that people deemed "mentally defective" and "feebleminded" should be sexually sterilised because they "are apt to have enormous numbers of illegitimate children, all, as a rule, wholly useless to the community.
No comment. Now we just need The Authority or a committee to decide who is feebleminded (maybe based on religious belief, why the hell not) and we're good to go. For the good of humanity! 5 years later: no one from the authority or committee member relatives was judged feebleminded, so coincidental.
> On 20 November 1948, in a public speech at Westminster School, addressing a gathering arranged by the New Commonwealth, Russell shocked some observers by suggesting that a preemptive nuclear strike on the Soviet Union was justified. Russell argued that war between the United States and the Soviet Union seemed inevitable, so it would be a humanitarian gesture to get it over with quickly and have the United States in the dominant position.
As Russian I'm surprisingly on the fence about this. In hindsight maybe cold war was actually better but considering how it's developing lately...
> In the Middle East, Russell suggested that the West avoid opposing Arab nationalism, and proposed the creation of a United Nations peacekeeping force to guard Israel's frontiers to ensure that Israel was prevented from committing aggression and protected from it.
It's interesting how he wants to oppose one people's nationalism and but not another people's nationalism.
> He also suggested Western recognition of the People's Republic of China, and that it be admitted to the UN with a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.
Also tongue in cheek:
> Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression
That guy should read about Muslim conquests circa 600.
Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#4Israel has exceptionally great PR, especially with people in power. Palestinians have horrible PR (carrying dead bodies on the crowd's hands in tiny streets, is not something westeners relate to). In Europe a large part of a generation believes that the holocaust is the reason the state of Israel needs to be. Why is Israel not founded on a repurposed piece of Germany then?
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Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#5Israel has exceptionally great PR, especially with people in power. Palestinians have horrible PR (carrying dead bodies on the crowd's hands in tiny streets, is not something westeners relate to). In Europe a large part of a generation believes that the holocaust is the reason the state of Israel needs to be. Why is Israel not founded on a repurposed piece of Germany then?
Numerous polls indicate younger generations strongly favor the Palestinian side of the conflict in direct opposition to older generations. That being said I would say PR is not working out for Israel.
I suspect that is because older generations remember the PLO as a major terrorist organization supported by numerous other terrorist organizations. Although most of the world still sees Hamas as a terrorist organization younger generations haven’t witnessed any notable Palestinian sponsored terrorist act until the Oct 7 attack. Even then as horrible as that attack was Israel still found a way to completely over shadow it with something much worse.
At the same time the world is also watching wholesale increases of violence against Palestinians in the West Bank will reading about illegal settlements.
That is astoundingly bad PR. It’s so bad now that any action Israel takes against Iran is seen as unilateral, excessively aggressive, and unprovoked which was absolutely not the case just 20 years ago.
Then to somehow still make that much worse the typical response to disagreements from political hardliners is to call people antisemetic. Older generations used to cautiously appreciate the sensitivity of such and tread carefully. Younger generations seem tired of hearing it from Israeli politicians.
Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#6This doesn't need to be a link to some random dude's video because there's a perfectly fine Wikipedia article about Bertrand Russell and his views. He held a variety of views and I hope this particular dude doesn't intend to paint Russell as source of truth. > In 1929, he wrote that people deemed "mentally defective" and "feebleminded" should be sexually sterilised because they "are apt to have enormous numbers of il…
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Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#7Israel has exceptionally great PR, especially with people in power. Palestinians have horrible PR (carrying dead bodies on the crowd's hands in tiny streets, is not something westeners relate to). In Europe a large part of a generation believes that the holocaust is the reason the state of Israel needs to be. Why is Israel not founded on a repurposed piece of Germany then?
Numerous polls indicate younger generations strongly favor the Palestinian side of the conflict in direct opposition to older generations. That being said I would say PR is not working out for Israel. I suspect that is because older generations remember the PLO as a major terrorist organization supported by numerous other terrorist organizations. Although most of the world still sees Hamas as a terrorist organization…
>Older generations used to cautiously appreciate the sensitivity of such and tread carefully. Younger generations seem tired of hearing it from Israeli politicians.
I think it's much simpler than that. Younger Generations are just sick and tired of walking on eggshells when it comes to calling out jewish-exceptionalism[0] and that trend was accelerated after having witnessed the self declared "jewish-state" commit livestreamed terrorism and genocide for more than a year with absolute impunity. Israel was[1][2][3] and Israel still is the biggest terrorist organization in the region by far and has been since its inception[3].
[0] The Appeal to Jewishness Fallacy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MAJ6nSRYA
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_extremist_terrorism
[3] https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/vir...
Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#8Israel has exceptionally great PR, especially with people in power. Palestinians have horrible PR (carrying dead bodies on the crowd's hands in tiny streets, is not something westeners relate to). In Europe a large part of a generation believes that the holocaust is the reason the state of Israel needs to be. Why is Israel not founded on a repurposed piece of Germany then?
Because Europe hates Jews. Israel's founding was the actual final solution the European Allied powers decided for the Jewish question - Hitler thought his would be final, but it was penultimate. Leaving the Jews in Europe would not be tolerated by any party to the war.
Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#9This doesn't need to be a link to some random dude's video because there's a perfectly fine Wikipedia article about Bertrand Russell and his views. He held a variety of views and I hope this particular dude doesn't intend to paint Russell as source of truth. > In 1929, he wrote that people deemed "mentally defective" and "feebleminded" should be sexually sterilised because they "are apt to have enormous numbers of il…
He was wrong about some things and right about Zionism. This didn't need to be a random dude's walk through Russell's wikipedia page because there's a perfectly fine link here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell
"No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate?" -- Russell
Re: Bertrand Russell on Zionism [video]
#10This doesn't need to be a link to some random dude's video because there's a perfectly fine Wikipedia article about Bertrand Russell and his views. He held a variety of views and I hope this particular dude doesn't intend to paint Russell as source of truth. > In 1929, he wrote that people deemed "mentally defective" and "feebleminded" should be sexually sterilised because they "are apt to have enormous numbers of il…
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