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Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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Re: Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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When it's not clear whether you should trust someone, you should:

* Get the necessary background education to understand the subject

* Read what they are saying

* Determine the reasons for whether or not it is wholly, partially, or not at all logically and factually consistent

What you probably shouldn't do is shrug your shoulders, and cite a platitude like "Well, experts have been wrong before! I have no idea who we can trust!"

For heavily technical topics, unfortunately, this does require getting tens of thousands of hours of practice in the relevant field, so I can see why it may be less appealing than the lazy alternative.

Re: Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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Reminds me a bit of the UPS Flight 6 that crashed in 2010. Wasn't the cause of the fire, but the fire heated up the co-pilots oxygen system to the point he couldn't wear it and eventually succumbed to smoke hypoxia. Due to smoke in the cabin the pilot couldn't see his flight deck readouts or out the window and eventually crashed into the ground.

Re: Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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Tragedy from a Swiss cheese failure - several small holes/failures all line up. The issue of halon extinguishers versus oxygen-powered combustion producing many toxins while failing to extinguish is interesting - good that:

> Halon fire extinguishers are scheduled to be phased out of most commercial aircraft by the end of 2025.

Re: Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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When it's not clear whether you should trust someone, you should: * Get the necessary background education to understand the subject * Read what they are saying * Determine the reasons for whether or not it is wholly, partially, or not at all logically and factually consistent What you probably shouldn't do is shrug your shoulders, and cite a platitude like "Well, experts have been wrong before! I have no idea who we…

I emphatically agree.

Re: Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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When it's not clear whether you should trust someone, you should: * Get the necessary background education to understand the subject * Read what they are saying * Determine the reasons for whether or not it is wholly, partially, or not at all logically and factually consistent What you probably shouldn't do is shrug your shoulders, and cite a platitude like "Well, experts have been wrong before! I have no idea who we…

Bookmarking this answer. This will be my automated response to the usual disrespectful comments by conspiracists on conclusions achieved by strong specialists.

Re: Masks, Smoke, and Mirrors: The story of EgyptAir flight 804

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When it's not clear whether you should trust someone, you should: * Get the necessary background education to understand the subject * Read what they are saying * Determine the reasons for whether or not it is wholly, partially, or not at all logically and factually consistent What you probably shouldn't do is shrug your shoulders, and cite a platitude like "Well, experts have been wrong before! I have no idea who we…

There are alternatives. I usually use a mix of: (a) what might be the motivation of the person / group to say something. (b) what are the risks of lying, and the consequences. (c) are there other voices and the possible motivation of those etc. (d) can someone verify this at least partially.
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