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Ten Years of JMAP

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Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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I wish JMAP was more widely supported on the client side. None of the clients I use support it, sadly.

That’ll be the case in ten years as well.

I know a couple of people who run large email stacks (500k+ users) and this isn’t on their radar and there is no interest in it. There is a little disdain as they are comp sci people and don’t like JSON at all (I share that concern).

Email is probably the most conservative, reluctant to change set of protocols there is.

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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I wish JMAP was more widely supported on the client side. None of the clients I use support it, sadly.

On the flip side, I would like to see a free of cost email provider offer JMAP as well. It could be a limited version in the sense that something like the free version only has limited storage or something but it offers the full JMAP experience ^TM or at least that's my expectation to use JMAP.

How come there are no free of cost email providers that support JMAP?

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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JMAP is the best email protocol out there that nobody uses (besides Fastmail), sadly.

It would be great that the two big email providers (Google and Microsoft) implemented and supported it.

It would make so easier and reliable to have a single client that works really well across personal and business email accounts, for example.

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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I wish JMAP was more widely supported on the client side. None of the clients I use support it, sadly.

That’ll be the case in ten years as well. I know a couple of people who run large email stacks (500k+ users) and this isn’t on their radar and there is no interest in it. There is a little disdain as they are comp sci people and don’t like JSON at all (I share that concern). Email is probably the most conservative, reluctant to change set of protocols there is.

I’m not exactly the biggest fan of JSON either but given the clusterfuck of established email technologies, moaning about JSON is a little hypocritical.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_b...

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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JMAP is the best email protocol out there that nobody uses (besides Fastmail), sadly. It would be great that the two big email providers (Google and Microsoft) implemented and supported it. It would make so easier and reliable to have a single client that works really well across personal and business email accounts, for example.

Sadly, Google and Microsoft are in the business of getting their users to use their own gmail and outlook clients. They don't want to be invisible IMAP/JMAP back-ends, they want to own your e-mail experience.

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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post #4

I wish JMAP was more widely supported on the client side. None of the clients I use support it, sadly.

On the flip side, I would like to see a free of cost email provider offer JMAP as well. It could be a limited version in the sense that something like the free version only has limited storage or something but it offers the full JMAP experience ^TM or at least that's my expectation to use JMAP. How come there are no free of cost email providers that support JMAP?

You can use https://stalw.art. Compared to other email stacks, it is very easy to set up. Its support is on par with Fastmail. I develop a JMAP email app (https://mailtemi.com) and have run equal tests against stalw.art locally as well as Fastmail.

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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post #7

JMAP is the best email protocol out there that nobody uses (besides Fastmail), sadly. It would be great that the two big email providers (Google and Microsoft) implemented and supported it. It would make so easier and reliable to have a single client that works really well across personal and business email accounts, for example.

Sadly, Google and Microsoft are in the business of getting their users to use their own gmail and outlook clients. They don't want to be invisible IMAP/JMAP back-ends, they want to own your e-mail experience .

Besides, MS already have their own solution that goes way beyond just mail: Microsoft Graph

Re: Ten Years of JMAP

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’ll be the case in ten years as well. I know a couple of people who run large email stacks (500k+ users) and this isn’t on their radar and there is no interest in it. There is a little disdain as they are comp sci people and don’t like JSON at all (I share that concern). Email is probably the most conservative, reluctant to change set of protocols there is.

I’m not exactly the biggest fan of JSON either but given the clusterfuck of established email technologies, moaning about JSON is a little hypocritical. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_b...

It's more: we have two clusterfucks now thus might as well use the one we know best.

At least no one tried to use YAML on the wire, so far anyway.

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