The Riddle of Luigi Mangione
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The Riddle of Luigi Mangione
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#3Vigilantism and violence is not merited because scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution.
At some level of oppression violence is obviously indicated. The whole of the current Western order is premised on that.
At some point it’s too far. Today is not that day.
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#4The article seems quite level-headed and thoughtful.
That said, this jumps the gun:
> The idea that trauma is passed down epigenetically is not only unscientific, it’s also un-agentic; if you believe your trauma is hardwired into your DNA, you’re prone to passively accept it rather than actively trying to overcome it.
Recent research is pretty convincing that the "folk wisdom" of trauma being passed down to later generations is a real thing.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fearful-memories-...
https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.3594
Edit: and I'll add that the mice were able to overcome the inherited trauma, too, so you could argue that it's actually an empowering concept. Even though we can't control what we inherit, this shows you can overcome it.
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#5Vigilantism and violence is not merited because scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution. At some level of oppression violence is obviously indicated. The whole of the current Western order is premised on that. At some point it’s too far. Today is not that day.
> scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution
I feel like the murderer wouldn't be so widely commended if that were true. Justice is what is supposed to prevent vigilantism, and apparently lots of people here felt that the murder was just.
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#6Vigilantism and violence is not merited because scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution. At some level of oppression violence is obviously indicated. The whole of the current Western order is premised on that. At some point it’s too far. Today is not that day.
> scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution I feel like the murderer wouldn't be so widely commended if that were true. Justice is what is supposed to prevent vigilantism, and apparently lots of people here felt that the murder was just.
I’m still advocating for peace, but over time the argument isn’t getting any fucking easier to make, that’s for fucking sure.
The Kleptocracy has a year, two at the outside to make some concessions near as I can tell, before they can’t walk the streets of NYC safely full stop. Or Chicago, or …
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#7So this guy had a few twitter exchanges with Luigi and he thinks the US healthcare system isn't that bad? Doesn't really seem like an article for HN. But as long as we're here I think, sort of like Luigi, I'll let other people argue about whether the US healthcare system functions well or efficiently. But as for this:
>While it’s true that UnitedHealthcare has the highest denial rate for medical claims, the CEO doesn’t set the approval rate of a health insurance company’s payouts — that’s done by the actuaries, who themselves are constrained by various considerations, such as the need to keep costs low, including for policyholders.
By this logic, what can Brian Thompson be said to be responsible for? It's very strange to me to assign more responsibility for a companies denial rates to its actuaries than the actuaries' bosses bosses boss. So why exactly does UHC have higher denial rates than other companies? It just happens to be that it's actuaries are more frugal? This explanation doesn't hold water and I think it's a strange response to the shooting of a CEO to say, well actually CEOs aren't responsible for the things their corporations do. Of course they are, now they aren't solely responsible, but they probably have more responsibility than any other single individual. It can be completely true that killing Brian Thompson was wrong AND that he was no saint, being responsible for (and getting rich off of) large amounts of human misery inflicted on UHC policy holders by the organization he headed.
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#8> when I asked him if he was voting in the presidential election, he scrunched his nose and said he wasn’t crazy about Trump or Biden, but liked some of the things RFK Jr. was saying. I regard RFK Jr. as a crank who regularly pushes harmful pseudoscience, but I didn’t mention it so as not to derail the conversation.
Interesting! I agrees he's a crank, but RFK jr seems to appeal to a specific personality type that's common among high-powered individuals. People that like to appear scientific, but hate going along with certain things despite a strong scientific consensus. I recently had a very surprising conversation with a company director where they sang RFK's praises, and came down firmly in the alt-right camp's position on classic trigger topics like Ivermectin, fluoride and COVID. This is someone who outwardly advocates being data-driven and loves phrases like "data doesn't care about your beliefs". And yet their entire view on these topics coincides with the cherry-picked data and misleading interpretations in RFK's book.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
> scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution I feel like the murderer wouldn't be so widely commended if that were true. Justice is what is supposed to prevent vigilantism, and apparently lots of people here felt that the murder was just.
I’m still advocating for peace, but over time the argument isn’t getting any fucking easier to make, that’s for fucking sure. The Kleptocracy has a year, two at the outside to make some concessions near as I can tell, before they can’t walk the streets of NYC safely full stop. Or Chicago, or …
There shouldn't be a kleptocracy.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution I feel like the murderer wouldn't be so widely commended if that were true. Justice is what is supposed to prevent vigilantism, and apparently lots of people here felt that the murder was just.
I’m still advocating for peace, but over time the argument isn’t getting any fucking easier to make, that’s for fucking sure. The Kleptocracy has a year, two at the outside to make some concessions near as I can tell, before they can’t walk the streets of NYC safely full stop. Or Chicago, or …
Yeah, it really is getting ridiculous now. The pendulum has swung too far towards the elites, and we know what happens then...