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Ask HN: How do you manage the risk of losing access to your email address?

#1
Hello HN! After a recent story about how someone lost access to their email address after using it for 10 years, I began thinking how I could prevent this kind of nightmare in my life. Some alternatives often suggested:

A. Pay for your email. Use Fastmail. But how do you guarantee that Fastmail won't screw you over someday? Get a lawyer! But how would the law work across countries? Not everybody lives in the US!

B. Buy a domain name and host your own email address. But you don't own domain names either. You rent them from someone else. There are so many failure modes that can make you lose your domain. Missed payment. Error in admining it. Fake abuse reports triggering takedowns. How can you avoid all of these failure modes? Get a laywer! But again, laws don't work very well when there are geographical boundaries.

So must we always buy a paid email service from our own country where if things go south, we can hire a laywer and rectify the matter? Must we always buy a ccTLD of our own country if we want to host our own email?

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#2
I self-host. And then I backup everything to my RAID6 NAS. And then, though irregularly, backup to offline media.

I sometimes read comments on this very forum, that hosting your own email server is risky and requires lots of work. I agree it's not for everyone - you need to have some knowledge of how to run and secure your service on the internet. I self-host since roughly 2011-2012 and cannot say I spent tons of time on it.

It does cost some money though, I pay $5 monthly to run my Nanode (on Linode), and then something around $30 a year to keep my domain.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage the risk of losing access to your email address?

#3
I have a fastmail account and a gmail account. The former I use for more formal and sensitive communications and accounts, the latter for more frivolous things. Most people I communicate regularly with have messages from me from both accounts, so if I lost one, I could carry on communications until I established a new alternative.

All important subscriptions using one account for contact, I use the other for an alternate.

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#4
The answer depends upon what risk you wish to protect yourself from.

If that risk is: my 'free email' provider decides to shutdown my email with no notice, then the risk mitigation is: "buy a domain name".

Do note that "buy a domain name" and "host your own email server" are orthogonal. You can "buy a domain name" and pay someone somewhere to "host an email server".

If your risk is: my domain name provider will terminate my domain name arbitrarily, well then, you are getting into very expensive territory where you'd have to become your own registrar, buy a TLD, and so forth. But then you just moved the risk up to "my TLD provider might terminate me".

Eventually, you realize that there is no way you can mitigate all the possible risks (not without personally owning all the world wide internet infrastructure), so you stop worrying about the "what ifs" that are so remote that they will never happen.

The simplest, lowest cost, and most risk removal is simply: "Buy a domain name". You eliminate so much of the risk there that the remainder becomes "very unlikely to happen territory".

If you own the domain name, then you get to move it around to different servers (and, as email natively supports 'backup servers' you even get to have multiple servers hosting it, provided you want to pay for the expense of doing so). This mitigates all the risk of any given "server provider" dropping you. You just move the domain to another and you are back in business as if nothing happened.

Your second step to mitigate risk is to never, ever, leave the only copy of your email archives on any of the servers you pick to host the email. For all of them, as soon as they receive the email (or as soon as you poll for an email) you download it to your local machine that you control (and backup). That way, any given server closing shop tomorrow, or canceling you tomorrow, has zero impact on your ability to access your archives of past emails.

Once you take those two steps, the remaining risk possibilities become remote enough that you really need not worry about them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage the risk of losing access to your email address?

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post #4

The answer depends upon what risk you wish to protect yourself from. If that risk is: my 'free email' provider decides to shutdown my email with no notice, then the risk mitigation is: "buy a domain name". Do note that "buy a domain name" and "host your own email server" are orthogonal. You can "buy a domain name" and pay someone somewhere to "host an email server". If your risk is: my domain name provider will termi…

Yep I found this approach works great.

I have a personally-owned domain name connected to my [paid] account with a smaller email provider.

The domain is managed at a large well-known registrar, I keep it paid up 3+ years in advance, and make sure to keep my contact information up to date.

If anything goes wrong with the email provider (including going out of business), I will just redirect from my DNS settings. If I get locked out of my domain for some reason, there are clear next steps for me to open a ticket with the registrar and move towards resolving the issue.

I got it all hooked up in an afternoon, many years ago, and it was completely set-it-and-forget-it, besides logging into the registrar occasionally to extend the domain ownership.

(continuous backups are another matter - mine aren't fully automated yet)

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage the risk of losing access to your email address?

#7
My risk management for email is to treat it like the joke that it is, And if the info in any email is important, I hand copy it with a pencil and paper. Google locked me out, for signing in from an untrusted wifi, and I never bothered trying to get back in, and never use anything from them,except under duress. Went through a variety of other free email providers, and still have a proton account, and they are horrible.Now have a web page with email but there are problems with incoming email ,vanishing before they get there,hey! If and when.email is given the same legal protections as real mail, and is set up.to be delivered to device, as the default. And all devices have, near indistructable, removable, data/processor sections. Said strorage sections are standardised, and there are standardised word processors and document formats to go with them, then we can perhaps begin to enjoy the potential of digital devices,and get on with building the true climax civilisation that we could just reach out and take, but for all of the horriblness built into everything. The title uses the word "manage", a word that explisitly states, that things are not going well. What would the world look like if you had to use email to get water out of a tap? or run the brakes on your car?

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage the risk of losing access to your email address?

#10

I self-host. And then I backup everything to my RAID6 NAS. And then, though irregularly, backup to offline media. I sometimes read comments on this very forum, that hosting your own email server is risky and requires lots of work. I agree it's not for everyone - you need to have some knowledge of how to run and secure your service on the internet. I self-host since roughly 2011-2012 and cannot say I spent tons of tim…

All your backups are on-site then?
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