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Show HN: Dumbo – Hono inspired framework for PHP

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Post by notrab »

Hey HN, I last PHP professionally over 15 years ago, and I loved it. I switched to Ruby on Rails, then Node/Go/React/GraphQL as there was a lot more demand for those roles. However, PHP is back!

In true JavaScript fashion, I decided to learn PHP again by building a framework to put all the pieces together in my brain.

I absolutely love Hono.dev, and decided to base the PHP framework on that. Dumbo isn't intended to compete with Laravel, Symphony or Slim, if anything, it's something people can use in production, but also contribute to and be used as a learning resource for others.

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Post by notrab »

wink wrote: post #3

What's your distinguishing point over Slim and Silex (rip) because from your example script I don't see anything different. I mean, how would it, (un?)fortunately PHP syntax doesn't let you play as much with DSLs as Ruby or other languages.

I guess that's still to figure out... it's mostly been an experiment to relearn PHP... I guess keeping a similar DX to Hono's context->X is where I was coming from originally.

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Post by no_wizard »

dzonga wrote: post #2

I wish the market didn't determine the technologies we get to work with. because at times the market can be wrong due to incentives. e.g the market was wrong on graphQL. btw Hono is cool, but found the api surface area insufficient for my node.js usecases.

How was the market objectively wrong on GraphQL?

I ask a a REST turned GraphQL advocate to be clear but criticisms I hear tend to be opinions or issues with specific implementations but not ones based on the technical shortcomings of the technology

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Post by davzie »

no_wizard wrote: post #5
dzonga wrote: post #2

I wish the market didn't determine the technologies we get to work with. because at times the market can be wrong due to incentives. e.g the market was wrong on graphQL. btw Hono is cool, but found the api surface area insufficient for my node.js usecases.

How was the market objectively wrong on GraphQL? I ask a a REST turned GraphQL advocate to be clear but criticisms I hear tend to be opinions or issues with specific implementations but not ones based on the technical shortcomings of the technology

I can't comment on all the shortcomings and this may be reflective on my lack of experience with different implementations, but doesn't using GraphQL basically just enable a tonne of unoptimised database queries to occur that, at scale, could cause some serious load issues?

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Post by no_wizard »

davzie wrote: post #6
no_wizard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How was the market objectively wrong on GraphQL? I ask a a REST turned GraphQL advocate to be clear but criticisms I hear tend to be opinions or issues with specific implementations but not ones based on the technical shortcomings of the technology

I can't comment on all the shortcomings and this may be reflective on my lack of experience with different implementations, but doesn't using GraphQL basically just enable a tonne of unoptimised database queries to occur that, at scale, could cause some serious load issues?

GraphQL says nothing about databases at all. Resolvers can get resources from anything, they’re agnostic.

None of that is inherent to the technology but it’s a common folly among developers. This is an issue with REST too but it can be more obfuscated

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