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Oligarchs now in full control of America? What does Hacker News think of this?

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The multi-millionaire and billionaire class have long put their thumbs on the scale of democracy through donations to the political class with the hope of gaining influence and shaping policy. But Tuesday's election outcome brings about a big shift that is different it seems to me from the past. US policy and democracy it seems to me has been handed directly to a small cast of characters led by Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Jeff Bejos and perhaps the Murdoch family.

There is a disturbance in the force. I have felt in recent years, without being able to clearly articulate it, that something fundamental about the world has changed. Things seem a bit darker to me, there is something looming on the edge.

How are folks seeing things on where we stand?

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Oligarchs have always had full control in America. They've chosen to exercise that in an especially conspicuous way, but in the end, a bunch of people went into the voting booth and pulled the lever labeled "felon".

The oligarchs have a huge thumb on the scale, but it's not mind control. As Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

Maybe we will indeed get it good and hard, and four years from now we'll reconsider. That won't do much good for the Ukrainians, who will almost certainly have suffered a genocide, but we decided that apparently we're good with that.

Or maybe we'll muddle through, like we did last time. The fact is that a President has only limited power to affect your life directly. Yeah, there's every reason to think that erecting a massive trade barrier will crash the economy, and trashing the federal government will cause tons of misery in the "get your government hands off my medicare" crowd. But we have the sour grapes that the new leadership is at least incompetent, and rarely accomplishes anything he sets out for.

I'm extraordinarily disappointed that Americans have chosen literal criminality. It's hard to imagine that we said "Yeah, nearly everybody around him was convicted, and the first thing he's going to do is pardon himself, but at least he's not..." and I'll let you finish that sentence.

But that's not the oligarchs, at least not immediately. We did this to ourselves, at least in aggregate. A lot of people are going to get hurt who didn't do this to themselves, and all I can do now is try to mitigate that as best I can.

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When people start to spiral over something that was said in politics, I often think of this from the HN guidelines:

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

I’m going to assume good faith, and do my best to not take on the anxieties of others. That doesn’t mean blind trust, but I don’t think it will be as bad, or as good, as people are projecting out there.

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This day has been decades in the making. I'm thinking 1,000 years from now they'll pinpoint the start of the transition of America from a democracy to whatever it is we're transitioning to as starting with the Nixon administration.

One thing I think you're feeling is the end of the post-war period. WWII shaped global politics for the latter half of the 20th century. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but that war ended 80 years ago. We're entering a new global era.

What does that era look like? It's in transition. The US wants to retain its global preeminence and based off the election results, believes winding the clock back to the first decade after WWII is the best way to achieve that. The US literally wants to return to 70 years ago without paying attention that the world has moved on. It should be obvious to anyone with even a scant knowledge of history that effort is futile and will end in failure.

What does failure mean? The US is unlikely to be the dominant political power in the latter half of the 21st century. Other countries recognize this and are positioning themselves to take the reins. Russia is one of those countries, but they too want to rewind the clock back several decades to when the Soviets were great. That endeavor will likely fail.

China on the other hand, is an entirely different matter. The 20th century was rough for them, so no living person has a memory of better times. The better times are right now. Hence, China is moving forward instead of looking backward like the US and Russia are. The smart money is on China being the most influential political power in the latter half of the 21st century (and maybe before).

That's the other thing I think you're feeling - the tectonic shift of power from the Occident to the Orient. The Occident have been dominating global politics and global trade for some 2,500 years. Now it's shifting to the Orient. I think part of the conflict in America that you're seeing is businessmen have already accepted that China is the future - they're the largest export market and there's room for a lot of growth. Main street is a different matter, everyday Americans are accustomed to living in a country that's the most dominant country on earth and they sense that's being lost - and it is. The irony is Americans are doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing in order to retain their power and influence. Then again, nobody ever accused Americans of being a smart bunch.

Tying this back to the Nixon administration, I think Henry Kissinger laid the groundwork for the US to maintain relevancy in a China-dominated world, so long as we don't screw it up. Seeing as how America is sending an idiot, conman, and grifter to the oval office, I don't see how it's possible we don't screw it up.

That's my take on where we stand.

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Oligarchs have always had full control in America. They've chosen to exercise that in an especially conspicuous way, but in the end, a bunch of people went into the voting booth and pulled the lever labeled "felon". The oligarchs have a huge thumb on the scale, but it's not mind control. As Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." Maybe w…

This is also a source of great frustration to me. That so many people discounted the character issue when many who worked directly with him including his own former VP, Chief of Staff and military leaders said that his character issues disqualified him for the job is amazing to me.

My motto for the rest of the year and going forward is to no longer try to understand the actions of others, but to just accept. Peoples actions won't necessarily match my paradigm of what is rational and logical.

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#10
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> Things seem a bit darker to me, there is something looming on the edge. Yeah, lemme see if I can say this gently. You’re on Alderaan, and that shadow isn’t an eclipsing moon.

I’ve been feeling this way for a long time. My solution is to completely disengage and force myself to stop caring. It isn’t easy (see this comment), but it helps in the long run.
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