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Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone

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Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

stonethrowaway wrote: post #2

Quick link if like me you have no idea who this bloke is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson

“Robinson served four prison terms between 2005 and 2019. In 2013, he illegally entered the United States using a friend's passport. In 2018, he violated a court order by publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering court...

In 2021, he was found to have libelled a 15-year-old refugee at a school in Huddersfield and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs. In 2021, he was subjected to a five-year stalking prevention order for harassing journalist Lizzie Dearden and her partner.”

Wow. Makes his alleged crime in this case, violation of an injunction, far more believable.

Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone

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Post by ryandrake »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4
stonethrowaway wrote: post #2

Quick link if like me you have no idea who this bloke is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson

“Robinson served four prison terms between 2005 and 2019. In 2013, he illegally entered the United States using a friend's passport. In 2018, he violated a court order by publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering court... In 2021, he was found to have libelled a 15-year-old refugee at a school in Huddersfield and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs. In 2021, he was subjected to a five-year stal…

I guess if a government wants to manufacture consent/support for a terrible law, they need to enforce it against the least sympathetic defendants they can find.

Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ryandrake wrote: post #7
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Robinson served four prison terms between 2005 and 2019. In 2013, he illegally entered the United States using a friend's passport. In 2018, he violated a court order by publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering court... In 2021, he was found to have libelled a 15-year-old refugee at a school in Huddersfield and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs. In 2021, he was subjected to a five-year stal…

I guess if a government wants to manufacture consent/support for a terrible law, they need to enforce it against the least sympathetic defendants they can find.

> if a government wants to manufacture consent/support for a terrible law, they need to enforce it against the least sympathetic defendants they can find

Not everything is a conspiracy. He libelled a person. A court said stop libelling. He violated that injunction.

The takeaway from this guy’s history is he’s a liar and serial lawbreaker. The outrage in this story is reliant on his account. As a result, this is a nothingburger without more information, in the same category as sovereign citizens claiming repression for drunk driving without a license.

Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone

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Post by griffzhowl »

pvaldes wrote: post #3

The last phrase shows an interesting problem. Can you be forced to unlock your phone if it contains something that is legally protected as secret, so unlocking your phone you would be breaking the law?.

What information would the state forbid the state to know? The only thing I can think of is if the information is classfied at a higher level than the investigators are authorised to know, but that would be quite an exceptional situation.

There's a funny story that Bill Binney tells, the former technical director of the NSA who blew the whistle on the spy programs following the patriot act, about when a couple of FBI agents were sent to his house to arrest him. He wryly says "I caused a problem for them" by telling them something they weren't cleared to know. The FBI guys radioed their superiors, and then were immediately ordered to get away from Binney

Re: Tommy Robinson arrested under Terrorism Act for not unlocking phone

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Post by amarcheschi »

griffzhowl wrote: post #9
pvaldes wrote: post #3

The last phrase shows an interesting problem. Can you be forced to unlock your phone if it contains something that is legally protected as secret, so unlocking your phone you would be breaking the law?.

What information would the state forbid the state to know? The only thing I can think of is if the information is classfied at a higher level than the investigators are authorised to know, but that would be quite an exceptional situation. There's a funny story that Bill Binney tells, the former technical director of the NSA who blew the whistle on the spy programs following the patriot act, about when a couple of FBI…

That's the top secret information equivalent of playing copyrighted music with someone near streaming on twitch so that their stream gets blocked
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