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Abortions Have Increased, Even for Women in States with Rigid Bans

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Re: Abortions Have Increased, Even for Women in States with Rigid Bans

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Abortion bans don’t stop abortions. They simply disincentivize safe, sanctioned abortions, and increase travel distances for those seeking reproductive healthcare. This is lost on certain voter cohorts and policymakers.

I’m not sure if conservatives think through things this far, but generally the availability and acceptance of get out of jail free cards must influence behavior. Behavior shifted as a result of these cards becoming available, and I imagine some people would like to shift behavior back to how it used to be. A shift back could take awhile, just as the shift here did.

I say this as somebody who is pro abortion rights, I just like to understand the opposing viewpoint.

Re: Abortions Have Increased, Even for Women in States with Rigid Bans

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Abortion bans don’t stop abortions. They simply disincentivize safe, sanctioned abortions, and increase travel distances for those seeking reproductive healthcare. This is lost on certain voter cohorts and policymakers.

I’m not sure if conservatives think through things this far, but generally the availability and acceptance of get out of jail free cards must influence behavior. Behavior shifted as a result of these cards becoming available, and I imagine some people would like to shift behavior back to how it used to be. A shift back could take awhile, just as the shift here did. I say this as somebody who is pro abortion rights, I…

Effectiveness isn’t in the interest of the politicans.

If you finally eliminate abortion, what do you pander to these mega church folks and Catholics with? You need to always have a problem that you can “help” with.

Re: Abortions Have Increased, Even for Women in States with Rigid Bans

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Abortion bans don’t stop abortions. They simply disincentivize safe, sanctioned abortions, and increase travel distances for those seeking reproductive healthcare. This is lost on certain voter cohorts and policymakers.

I’m not sure if conservatives think through things this far, but generally the availability and acceptance of get out of jail free cards must influence behavior. Behavior shifted as a result of these cards becoming available, and I imagine some people would like to shift behavior back to how it used to be. A shift back could take awhile, just as the shift here did. I say this as somebody who is pro abortion rights, I…

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Re: Abortions Have Increased, Even for Women in States with Rigid Bans

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I’m not sure if conservatives think through things this far, but generally the availability and acceptance of get out of jail free cards must influence behavior. Behavior shifted as a result of these cards becoming available, and I imagine some people would like to shift behavior back to how it used to be. A shift back could take awhile, just as the shift here did. I say this as somebody who is pro abortion rights, I…

Effectiveness isn’t in the interest of the politicans. If you finally eliminate abortion, what do you pander to these mega church folks and Catholics with? You need to always have a problem that you can “help” with.

>If you finally eliminate abortion, what do you pander to these mega church folks and Catholics with?

Their end goal is a total Christian theocracy, a society purged of idolatry, secularism and heresy, and eventually ushering in the Second Coming, which many of them believe will require alliance with Israel in a nuclear war against Islam. The world is still full of "demons" for them to fear.

Re: Abortions Have Increased, Even for Women in States with Rigid Bans

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Effectiveness isn’t in the interest of the politicans. If you finally eliminate abortion, what do you pander to these mega church folks and Catholics with? You need to always have a problem that you can “help” with.

>If you finally eliminate abortion, what do you pander to these mega church folks and Catholics with? Their end goal is a total Christian theocracy, a society purged of idolatry, secularism and heresy, and eventually ushering in the Second Coming, which many of them believe will require alliance with Israel in a nuclear war against Islam. The world is still full of "demons" for them to fear.

That’s the Christian fundamentalist end goal. The standard fascist conservative types just need to pander to them for their gotv.

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>If you finally eliminate abortion, what do you pander to these mega church folks and Catholics with? Their end goal is a total Christian theocracy, a society purged of idolatry, secularism and heresy, and eventually ushering in the Second Coming, which many of them believe will require alliance with Israel in a nuclear war against Islam. The world is still full of "demons" for them to fear.

That’s the Christian fundamentalist end goal. The standard fascist conservative types just need to pander to them for their gotv.

American fascism is inseparable from Christian fundamentalism and Zionism.