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Ask HN: Why haven't we miniaturized the Ethernet RJ45?

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Ask HN: Why haven't we miniaturized the Ethernet RJ45?

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Why is the Ethernet jack still a huge monstrosity? I see these small boards appearing and the ridiculous sized Ethernet jack looms over the PCB.

https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/10/14/wiznet-w55rp20-evb-pico-board-features-w55rp20-sip-with-w5500-ethernet-controller-and-rp2040-mcu/

We have gone from giant USB-A to the slim USB-C and converters are available. We have mini Display Port and converters are available. Why has no one tried to miniaturize RJ45?

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Probably because you have to be able to crimp that connector as simple as possible, without too much tooling OR training needed. You literally can train anyone, as non-tech as possible, to crimp 8 wires with a $5 tool in 5-10 minutes.

Crimping our own cables is more common in data center or IT. Normal people wouldn't cut their own cables. I've given up cutting my own cables for home use (fixing busted heads) because it's easier to just grab a new cable.

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Probably because you have to be able to crimp that connector as simple as possible, without too much tooling OR training needed. You literally can train anyone, as non-tech as possible, to crimp 8 wires with a $5 tool in 5-10 minutes.

Crimping our own cables is more common in data center or IT. Normal people wouldn't cut their own cables. I've given up cutting my own cables for home use (fixing busted heads) because it's easier to just grab a new cable.

The last time I crimped one was three years ago when we moved into this house - I wanted a particularly long run of cable, and it was difficult to buy Just One.

The last time before that was when I was working as an IT tech in high school 20 years ago.

But yeah - I'm not even sure if "normal" people know you can make your own cables.

Re: Ask HN: Why haven't we miniaturized the Ethernet RJ45?

#6
My speculation: there's no real market need. Devices that don't have enough space for the RJ45 are probably using WiFi anyway and have no burning need for a physical ethernet connection.

Since making the connectors smaller also makes them less robust, why take on that tradeoff in the absence of a clear benefit?

I understand that R-Pis and the like appear to be an exception, but they don't represent the amount of marketshare required to spur the sort of industry movement needed to develop Yet Another Standard.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crimping our own cables is more common in data center or IT. Normal people wouldn't cut their own cables. I've given up cutting my own cables for home use (fixing busted heads) because it's easier to just grab a new cable.

The last time I crimped one was three years ago when we moved into this house - I wanted a particularly long run of cable, and it was difficult to buy Just One. The last time before that was when I was working as an IT tech in high school 20 years ago. But yeah - I'm not even sure if "normal" people know you can make your own cables.

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post #6

My speculation: there's no real market need. Devices that don't have enough space for the RJ45 are probably using WiFi anyway and have no burning need for a physical ethernet connection. Since making the connectors smaller also makes them less robust, why take on that tradeoff in the absence of a clear benefit? I understand that R-Pis and the like appear to be an exception, but they don't represent the amount of mark…

That does make sense. Ethernet is easily replace by WiFi. There's no easy replacement for USB (can't charge a phone over Bluetooth (yet)).

Re: Ask HN: Why haven't we miniaturized the Ethernet RJ45?

#10
There are various alternatives (I.e. ND9, M12, etc), but they never really gained any traction in the mass market, where it matters.

I work on this stuff all day, every day and I can't tell you why we're still using RJ-45.

I could see FttD (Fiber to the Desktop) happen, but it will swap out these problems with new problems.

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