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A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by oblvious-earth »

The original text stated:

> I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice?

Currently, the text reads:

> This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden.

Since it has been hidden for more than 24 hours, this suggests that a moderator action has marked it as permanently hidden. Due to a recent decision, this means no one outside of the moderators or admins can view it: https://discuss.python.org/t/moderated-posts-are-no-longer-p...

Edit: I meant to post slightly more direct link in title: https://discuss.python.org/t/should-we-consider-ranked-choic...

Edit 2: Some comments suggest that Guido was banned from posting, but this is not accurate. I have edited the title from "Guido van Rossum's Post Removed for Violating Python Community Guidelines" to "A Post by Guido van Rossum Removed for Violating Python Community Guidelines" to clarify what actually happened.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by _0ffh »

oblvious-earth wrote: post #2

The original text stated: > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice? Currently, the text reads: > This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden. Since it has been hidden for more than 24 hours, this suggests that a moderator action has marked it as permanently hid…

> this means no one outside of the moderators or admins can view it

Imo that kind of deliberate intransparency is a massive red flag. Here for example I can choose to see hidden comments and make up my own mind about the content, which is excellent. Even if I don't use the feature, the fact that I could if I wanted to is a massive plus for trust in the process.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by EvanAnderson »

oblvious-earth wrote: post #2

The original text stated: > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice? Currently, the text reads: > This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden. Since it has been hidden for more than 24 hours, this suggests that a moderator action has marked it as permanently hid…

I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing.

Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something?

It's very confusing.

Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the Steering Council has suspended a core developer for 3 months[0] but isn't naming the suspended developer or citing specific reasons why (per [1] and sparking a call for a vote of no confidence in the council which did not succeed).

Apparently even mentioning the suspended person (without naming them) is enough for even Guido van Rossum to be censored. Wow.

Edit 2: The suspended developer is Tim Peters[3].

Edit 3: Altered paragraph "Edit:" from "...or the reason why[1] (" to "...or citing specific reasons why (per [1]".

Edit 4: Added "which did not succeed" after "...vote of no confidence in the council".

[0] https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-co...

[1] https://discuss.python.org/t/calling-for-a-vote-of-no-confid...

[3] https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestr...

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

basementcat wrote: post #3

Isn’t it good to see that no one is "above the law", even if they’re a benevolent dictator?

   I agree.  But didn't he give up the Benevolent Dictator for Life
   moniker?  Sounds like a King Lear situation...

      Since now we will divest us both of moderation authority,
      Interest of ban-hammering, cares of tweets,--
      Which of you shall we say doth love us most?
      That we our highest privilege in the comments forum may extend
      Where nature doth with merit challenge. Tim,
      Our eldest-born, speak first.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by aldfgH »

These are not "Python community guidelines". These are the guidelines of a tyrannical clique who have grabbed power and control the access to the infrastructure.

They abuse their power by banning any opposition and then using said infrastructure to libel and defame their opponents.

Google already fired one or two of them. I do not know what is required to restore the health of Python.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by riknos314 »

basementcat wrote: post #3

Isn’t it good to see that no one is "above the law", even if they’re a benevolent dictator?

"the law" is always subject to interpretation in a given context. The entire concept of case law is that "the law" has been interpreted in a certain way in a similar context before.
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