Entropic Engineering DEFCON 32 Statement
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Entropic Engineering DEFCON 32 Statement
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#2Very classy response. I hope things get worked out
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#3I regret that I have only two eyes to roll at this:
We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he was subjected to as a result of his demonstration of solidarity. We want to extend our thanks to all attendees who have been asking questions, reaching out, attending surprise side-walk cons, displaying the about page badge on the con floor, and, especially, keeping a community eye on law enforcement and conference security to help ensure our friend Dmitry’s safety in the last 48 hours.
The guy deliberately crashed the stage, knowing his invitation had been rescinded, demanding that "security" (read: random goobers who volunteer for this role in exchange for a colored t-shirt) remove him. He's fine. He got literally the thing he wanted, and "Entropic" knows that full well.
You're a vendor in a contract dispute, Entropic, not Poland's organized effort to throw off Soviet Communism. Miss me with this "solidarity" stuff.
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#4I regret that I have only two eyes to roll at this: We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he was subjected to as a result of his demonstration of solidarity. We want to extend our thanks to all attendees who have been asking questions, reaching out, attending surprise side-walk cons, displaying the about page badge on the con floor, and, especially, keeping a community eye on law…
You’d feel different if it were you getting stiffed payment!
After reading the further responses, I am convinced that DEF CON is kind of a crummy business. This commenter, who does not deserve to be downvoted, and the vendor were both stiffed by DEF CON. There seems to be a lot of drama attached to this organization that unfairly rubs off on its well meaning collaborators.
In the interest of curiosity, I wonder why IT organizations built on the free contributions of others can ever treat their collaborators indelicately. It would be one thing if DEF CON were some superstar artist, where taking the kid gloves off and delivering harsh feedback is part of the learning process, but it’s just a conference organizer.
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#5I regret that I have only two eyes to roll at this: We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he was subjected to as a result of his demonstration of solidarity. We want to extend our thanks to all attendees who have been asking questions, reaching out, attending surprise side-walk cons, displaying the about page badge on the con floor, and, especially, keeping a community eye on law…
You’d feel different if it were you getting stiffed payment! After reading the further responses, I am convinced that DEF CON is kind of a crummy business. This commenter, who does not deserve to be downvoted, and the vendor were both stiffed by DEF CON. There seems to be a lot of drama attached to this organization that unfairly rubs off on its well meaning collaborators. In the interest of curiosity, I wonder why I…
Who, Dmitry? Dmitry had no arrangement with DEF CON. Entropic? I've been (I think!) where Entropic has been many times, and you've never read about any of them because, like most professionals, I didn't make a huge stink about it.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’d feel different if it were you getting stiffed payment! After reading the further responses, I am convinced that DEF CON is kind of a crummy business. This commenter, who does not deserve to be downvoted, and the vendor were both stiffed by DEF CON. There seems to be a lot of drama attached to this organization that unfairly rubs off on its well meaning collaborators. In the interest of curiosity, I wonder why I…
Who, Dmitry? Dmitry had no arrangement with DEF CON. Entropic? I've been (I think!) where Entropic has been many times , and you've never read about any of them because, like most professionals, I didn't make a huge stink about it.
If Dmitry had no arrangement with defcon, why was he invited (looks like consideration), and why did he do work after the request to stop work? Dmitry maintains that he was not doing contractual work for Entropic. Was anything ever written down on paper with regards to Dmitry's relationship to anything?
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’d feel different if it were you getting stiffed payment! After reading the further responses, I am convinced that DEF CON is kind of a crummy business. This commenter, who does not deserve to be downvoted, and the vendor were both stiffed by DEF CON. There seems to be a lot of drama attached to this organization that unfairly rubs off on its well meaning collaborators. In the interest of curiosity, I wonder why I…
Who, Dmitry? Dmitry had no arrangement with DEF CON. Entropic? I've been (I think!) where Entropic has been many times , and you've never read about any of them because, like most professionals, I didn't make a huge stink about it.
Is it reasonable to expect better of a prominent institution like DEFCON than from some other typical company?
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who, Dmitry? Dmitry had no arrangement with DEF CON. Entropic? I've been (I think!) where Entropic has been many times , and you've never read about any of them because, like most professionals, I didn't make a huge stink about it.
Is it reasonable to expect better of a prominent institution like DEFCON than from some other typical company?
No. I have been in (minor, our fault, it all worked out, though not the way I wanted it to) commercial disputes with this organization in the past. They are not fucking around.
Look, I've got two things going on with this whole story:
First, it's pretty clear that Dmitry (a name I know only from HN from the past couple days) deliberately arranged the showdown with the Goons. He got what he wanted. Nobody should be clutching pearls about his experience on the stage.
Second, while none of us know the particulars of Entropic's contracts with DEF CON, and we could still learn new stuff that would make it clear DEF CON is in the wrong, there are a lot of people on HN that are trying to (or aspire to) consulting, and there is something very important to learn from what's happening here: you do not want to do what Entropic did and pick a fight with your client, because (1) you're probably not experiencing something that is that out of the norm for consulting and (2) other prospective clients are absolutely going to take notice.
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#9I'm struggling to reconcile this response vs the Bitcoin address "Easter egg" and the other claims in the prior article (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41211519), and a few other aspects.
Such a gross "oversight" does not reflect the care they're claiming to have exercised.
This part also seems a tad over the top and dramatic:
> We are especially grateful that Dmitry was not hurt in the physical removal he was subjected to as a result of his demonstration of solidarity
This individual chose to not comply with the venue operator's request to leave the stage, so they pretty gently escorted him away, as can be seen in the video which has been linked in every prior submission. Risk of injury was negligible, if any.
So I'm left uncertain which story is to be trusted here.
To be fair, it's clear DefCon has previously been fueled by Supermen and Superwomen who threw themselves under the bus (possibly were exploited) by working for free or nearly free to deliver. People deserve to be compensated for their work according to the terms of whatever employment agreement was signed, not the games that have been played here.
If quality of work was misaligned, it'd be another matter, but neither party has alluded to this.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who, Dmitry? Dmitry had no arrangement with DEF CON. Entropic? I've been (I think!) where Entropic has been many times , and you've never read about any of them because, like most professionals, I didn't make a huge stink about it.
If Dmitry had no arrangement with defcon, why was he invited (looks like consideration), and why did he do work after the request to stop work? Dmitry maintains that he was not doing contractual work for Entropic. Was anything ever written down on paper with regards to Dmitry's relationship to anything?
You tell me. The DEF CON badge thing is deeply cringe to me.