Puppeteer Support for Firefox
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Puppeteer Support for Firefox
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Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#2Ranked #4 on HN at the moment and no comments. So I'll just say hi. (Selenium project creator here. I had nothing to do with this announcement, but feel free to ask me anything!)
My hot take on things: When the Puppeteer team left Google to join Microsoft and continue the project as Playwright, that left Google high and dry. I don't think Google truly realized how complementary a browser automation tool is to an AI-agent strategy. Similar to how they also fumbled the bag on transformer technology. (The T in GPT)... So Google had a choice, abandon Puppeteer and be dependent on MS/Playwright... or find a path forward for Puppeteer. WebDriver BiDi takes all the chocolatey goodness of the Chrome DevTools Protocol (CDP) that Puppeteer (and Playwright) are built on... and moves that forward in a standard way (building on the earlier success of the W3C WebDriver process that browser vendors and members of the Selenium project started years ago.)
Great to see there's still a market for cross-industry standards and collaboration with this announcement from Mozilla today.
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#3Ranked #4 on HN at the moment and no comments. So I'll just say hi. (Selenium project creator here. I had nothing to do with this announcement, but feel free to ask me anything!) My hot take on things: When the Puppeteer team left Google to join Microsoft and continue the project as Playwright, that left Google high and dry. I don't think Google truly realized how complementary a browser automation tool is to an AI-a…
is it possible to now use Puppeteer from inside the browser? or do security concerns restrict this?
what does Webdriver Bidi do and what do you mean by "taking the good stuff from CDP"
I don't want to run my scrapes in the cloud and pay a monthly fee
I want to run them locally. I want to run LLM locally too.
I'm sick of SaaS
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#4Ranked #4 on HN at the moment and no comments. So I'll just say hi. (Selenium project creator here. I had nothing to do with this announcement, but feel free to ask me anything!) My hot take on things: When the Puppeteer team left Google to join Microsoft and continue the project as Playwright, that left Google high and dry. I don't think Google truly realized how complementary a browser automation tool is to an AI-a…
is it possible to now use Puppeteer from inside the browser? or do security concerns restrict this? what does Webdriver Bidi do and what do you mean by "taking the good stuff from CDP" I don't want to run my scrapes in the cloud and pay a monthly fee I want to run them locally. I want to run LLM locally too. I'm sick of SaaS
Puppeteer controls a browser... from the outside... like a puppeteer controls a puppet. Other tools like Cypress (and ironically the very first version of Selenium 20 years ago) drive the browser from the inside using JavaScript. But we abandoned that "inside out" approach in later versions of Selenium because of the limitations imposed by the browser JS security sandbox. Cypress is still trying to make it work and I wish them luck.
You could probably figure out how to connect Llama to Puppeteer. (If no one has done it, yet, that would be an awesome project.)
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#5Ranked #4 on HN at the moment and no comments. So I'll just say hi. (Selenium project creator here. I had nothing to do with this announcement, but feel free to ask me anything!) My hot take on things: When the Puppeteer team left Google to join Microsoft and continue the project as Playwright, that left Google high and dry. I don't think Google truly realized how complementary a browser automation tool is to an AI-a…
If I wanted to write some simple web-automation as a DevOps engineer with little javascript (or webdev experience at all) what tool would you recommend?
Some example use cases would be writing some basic tests to validate a UI or automate some form-filling on a javascript based website with no API.
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#6Ranked #4 on HN at the moment and no comments. So I'll just say hi. (Selenium project creator here. I had nothing to do with this announcement, but feel free to ask me anything!) My hot take on things: When the Puppeteer team left Google to join Microsoft and continue the project as Playwright, that left Google high and dry. I don't think Google truly realized how complementary a browser automation tool is to an AI-a…
is it possible to now use Puppeteer from inside the browser? or do security concerns restrict this? what does Webdriver Bidi do and what do you mean by "taking the good stuff from CDP" I don't want to run my scrapes in the cloud and pay a monthly fee I want to run them locally. I want to run LLM locally too. I'm sick of SaaS
webdriver bidi info -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oXic6dcn9w
local scraping howto - https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/web-scraping-in-javascript...
local LLM framework - https://ollama.com/
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
is it possible to now use Puppeteer from inside the browser? or do security concerns restrict this? what does Webdriver Bidi do and what do you mean by "taking the good stuff from CDP" I don't want to run my scrapes in the cloud and pay a monthly fee I want to run them locally. I want to run LLM locally too. I'm sick of SaaS
Puppeteer controls a browser... from the outside... like a puppeteer controls a puppet. Other tools like Cypress (and ironically the very first version of Selenium 20 years ago) drive the browser from the inside using JavaScript. But we abandoned that "inside out" approach in later versions of Selenium because of the limitations imposed by the browser JS security sandbox. Cypress is still trying to make it work and I…
I see im still looking for a way to control browser from the inside via an extension browser. very tough problem to solve.
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Puppeteer controls a browser... from the outside... like a puppeteer controls a puppet. Other tools like Cypress (and ironically the very first version of Selenium 20 years ago) drive the browser from the inside using JavaScript. But we abandoned that "inside out" approach in later versions of Selenium because of the limitations imposed by the browser JS security sandbox. Cypress is still trying to make it work and I…
I see im still looking for a way to control browser from the inside via an extension browser. very tough problem to solve.
I do alot quick manually scrapes via devtools
you could try this
Chrome web scraper extension - https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/web-scraper-free-we...
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#9Been waiting for this. This rocks
Re: Puppeteer Support for Firefox
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Puppeteer controls a browser... from the outside... like a puppeteer controls a puppet. Other tools like Cypress (and ironically the very first version of Selenium 20 years ago) drive the browser from the inside using JavaScript. But we abandoned that "inside out" approach in later versions of Selenium because of the limitations imposed by the browser JS security sandbox. Cypress is still trying to make it work and I…
I see im still looking for a way to control browser from the inside via an extension browser. very tough problem to solve.
Yup. Lately, I've been doing it a completely different way (but still from the outside)... Using a Raspberry Pi as a fake keyboard and mouse. (Makes more sense in the context of mobile automation than desktop.)
What's good for security is generally bad for automation... and trying to automate from inside a heavily secured sandbox is... frustrating. It works a little bit (as Cypress folks more recently learned), but you can never get to 100% covering all the things you'd want to cover. Driving from the outside is easier... but still not easy!