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To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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This has been true for a long time. Had I not archived a fair bit of my own work, some of it in the CMSs of dead organizations, some of it inaccessible behind paywalls, much would no longer exist. Journalists are probably in better shape than many because they're more likely to have work they've created on a relatively open web.

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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They should really collaborate with archive.org. They won't shut things down or paywall it.

Archive.org can and does accept takedown requests, even if the requester wants to avoid public scrutiny. If you're writing about a contentious topic and want to preserve your links (tweets or whatever), there are better options.

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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> “Thank goodness she did that because [otherwise] we would have no records of the early years of the first Women’s Hockey League in Canada,” Azzi said.

A few years ago, Canada digitized many older television shows, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982

  With the help of many industry partners, the [Canada Media Fund] CMF team unearthed Canadian gems buried in analog catalogues. Once discovered, we worked to secure permissions and required rights and collaborate with third parties to digitize the works, including an invaluable partnership with Deluxe Canada that covered 40 per cent of the digitization costs. The new, high-quality digital masters were made available to the rights holders and released to the public on the Encore+ YouTube channel in English and French.
In late 2022, the channel deleted the entire Youtube Encore archive of Canadian television, with two weeks notice. A few months later, half of the archive resurfaced on https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Encore%20%2B%2.... If anyone independently archived the missing Encore videos from Youtube, please mirror them to Archive.org.

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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They should really collaborate with archive.org. They won't shut things down or paywall it.

Archive.org can and does accept takedown requests, even if the requester wants to avoid public scrutiny. If you're writing about a contentious topic and want to preserve your links (tweets or whatever), there are better options.

What are some of those options?

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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I fully support the efforts. but are there not legal problems with this? (No I dont thik legal issues should prevent this)

If I worked for CorporateMediaNews as a columnist and reporter for 10 years and they decide ot remove all of it. Does not CMN own the work and can (unfortunately) dispose of it if they so wish? I would not have any rights for the work?

Thinking about my own career. I have written a hell of a lot of code and 80% at least are closed source system for various companies. I dont retain any copies of that code.

It would be interesting if I heard that System X I wrote 15 years ago is being shut down, and I would try to obtain the source code in order to preserve it. I have never heard of anyone doing it, but probably in games and such it happens more often.

Re: To preserve their work journalists take archiving into their own hands

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I fully support the efforts. but are there not legal problems with this? (No I dont thik legal issues should prevent this) If I worked for CorporateMediaNews as a columnist and reporter for 10 years and they decide ot remove all of it. Does not CMN own the work and can (unfortunately) dispose of it if they so wish? I would not have any rights for the work? Thinking about my own career. I have written a hell of a lot…

It's often probably at least a bit complicated. I cross-posted material between a couple of organizations (one of which is long gone) over a number of years via pretty much informal agreement. I also reused a fair bit of that material for other purposes. Everyone was OK with the state of affairs but who actually held the copyright? Who knows and I was certainly never going to bring it to a head.

As a practical matter if CorporateMediaNews or the like don't care about something any longer, they mostly don't care if someone else makes use of it so long as it isn't embarrassing or misrepresenting the organization.

In the end, I have created work that I've reused for a variety of organizations as well as independently and someone other than myself probably would claim copyright to but it's often been pretty loose.

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They should really collaborate with archive.org. They won't shut things down or paywall it.

Archive.org can and does accept takedown requests, even if the requester wants to avoid public scrutiny. If you're writing about a contentious topic and want to preserve your links (tweets or whatever), there are better options.

There really aren't. You can publish a book I guess but that has limited reach. And your website isn't going to be around forever.
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