BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

I use runit to manage various service groups for projects (e.g. last week, everything I was running at Bornhack camp). It simply does what it needs to do. It can be used in any context and doesn't need to take over the system. I recommend trying it out, especially if you think the complexity of systemd is needed.

Re: BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

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Post by dark-star » Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 1:00 PM UTC

So... you can remove systemd and replace it with a few shell scripts? Isn't this, like, pretty well-known?

Or maybe I didn't get the point of this. It doesn't look to me like this is one of the regular rants against how systemd destroys everything. But I could be wrong about that?

Re: BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

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Post by frizlab » Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 1:01 PM UTC

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Re: BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

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Post by tapoxi » Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 1:01 PM UTC

dark-star wrote: post #5

So... you can remove systemd and replace it with a few shell scripts? Isn't this, like, pretty well-known? Or maybe I didn't get the point of this. It doesn't look to me like this is one of the regular rants against how systemd destroys everything. But I could be wrong about that?

Busybox is designed for extremely minimalist and embedded use cases, so they have a legitimate reason for avoiding systemd as a dependency.

Re: BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

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Post by kreetx » Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

frizlab wrote: post #6

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I guess it's the orange hug of death.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240724001825/https://www.busyb...

Re: BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

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Post by mkoubaa » Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

frizlab wrote: post #6

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There are lot of things that are bizarrely still hard in 2024.

Formatting floating points as strings with maximum precision, for example.

I sometimes find myself rooting for another AI winter so that more talented computer scientists have nothing better to do than to go back and clean up these messes

Re: BusyBox: Life Without Systemd (2018)

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Post by ksp-atlas » Fri, Jul 26, 2024, 1:11 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #7

dark-star wrote: post #5

So... you can remove systemd and replace it with a few shell scripts? Isn't this, like, pretty well-known? Or maybe I didn't get the point of this. It doesn't look to me like this is one of the regular rants against how systemd destroys everything. But I could be wrong about that?

Busybox is designed for extremely minimalist and embedded use cases, so they have a legitimate reason for avoiding systemd as a dependency.

I made a small busybox based statically compiled distro which used busybox init, busybox init is basically just a bunch of shell scripts