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Ubuntu Security Updates Are a Confusing Mess

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Re: Ubuntu Security Updates Are a Confusing Mess

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Post by bravetraveler »

I'd argue we wouldn't have Snap [for the better] if their LTS releases weren't visually bound to years... saving overhead they regularly create for cosmetic reasons.

Wouldn't have to create it to consolidate platforms if they stopped making them so often!

They have three concurrent LTS releases when they need one. Maybe two. 18.04 is the python2 of distributions. Let it go.

Having worked in several places that relied on it... ESM is being the bad kind of enabler.

Fedora handles "The Snap Problem" -- many target distributions -- with 'fedpkg' and 'mock'. Software and machines on the build side. Not by degrading the end user experience. They do participate with Flatpak... but that's peer pressure more than anything.

Flatpak is more well-rounded IMO. Probably from being the broader answer. Maybe this all doesn't make an argument. Just a bunch of statements. I don't know.

Back on topic: I wonder what all of this Canonical stuff in particular is for/leads to. New software isn't scary; 'just' plan/test. It becomes scary when you get lazy here... so accept your involvement.

Re: Ubuntu Security Updates Are a Confusing Mess

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Post by frankjr »

I don't care they're gating this behind a subscription but the fact that they won't even tell you that you're missing an important security update? That's bad. I wonder how many people think they are fully up to date while being vulnerable to known bugs.

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Post by arjvik »

If I was looking for a distro with paid support (a la RHEL/Ubuntu) that's also not incredibly behind bleeding edge (maybe not as bleeding edge as Arch, but also not running patched-to-hell-and-back software like Ubuntu), what are my options?

Thankfully I'm not personally looking for this at the moment, I'm more than happy being my own sysadmin and running anything from Arch to Fedora CoreOS to OpenSUSE on my machines.

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Post by lmz »

Suppafly wrote: post #3

Is it not possible to fix the one package from the debian sources vs waiting for ubuntu to allow him to get it from them?

It's possible to fix anything from the sources but I guess the Tomcat version in 22.04 didn't have a corresponding stable Debian version? (vs. the 20.04 version)

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Post by brylie »

arjvik wrote: post #5

If I was looking for a distro with paid support (a la RHEL/Ubuntu) that's also not incredibly behind bleeding edge (maybe not as bleeding edge as Arch, but also not running patched-to-hell-and-back software like Ubuntu), what are my options? Thankfully I'm not personally looking for this at the moment, I'm more than happy being my own sysadmin and running anything from Arch to Fedora CoreOS to OpenSUSE on my machines…

I don’t know if it meets all of your criteria but SUSE might be an option:

https://www.suse.com/products/server/

Re: Ubuntu Security Updates Are a Confusing Mess

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Post by SSLy »

arjvik wrote: post #5

If I was looking for a distro with paid support (a la RHEL/Ubuntu) that's also not incredibly behind bleeding edge (maybe not as bleeding edge as Arch, but also not running patched-to-hell-and-back software like Ubuntu), what are my options? Thankfully I'm not personally looking for this at the moment, I'm more than happy being my own sysadmin and running anything from Arch to Fedora CoreOS to OpenSUSE on my machines…

On desktop/laptop? Only Arch. On servers I'd say RHEL/Rocky (don't disable selinux!) or SuSE; and the deployed services in podman or incus.
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