New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
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Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#2After losing my phone and not having a way to recover a lot of data, I've come to the realization that I don't want end to end encryption. I just want a responsible entity to store all my data in a secure way, and they'd only make money from what I'd pay them. If I lose everything, I still want access to my data, even if a proof of identity costs me.
Of course incentive systems make that very hard in today's corporate world, but I can still wish for my ideal world.
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#3After losing my phone and not having a way to recover a lot of data, I've come to the realization that I don't want end to end encryption. I just want a responsible entity to store all my data in a secure way, and they'd only make money from what I'd pay them. If I lose everything, I still want access to my data, even if a proof of identity costs me. Of course incentive systems make that very hard in today's corporat…
I don't think end-to-end encryption prevents server backup. It means that decryption keys is in your mind and at most on your personal device.
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#4I just want to express how much I appreciate Meredith Whittaker. She helped organize the Google walkouts, She's been working on AI safety since at least 2016, She advised Lina Khan at the FTC, and new she's out here advocating for preserving E2EE. A lot of people online give her flak for her opinions, but she's been consistently very loud and occasionally influential.
She's done some cool uncontroversial tech work too (like helping start M-Lab), but her advocacy is what is most interesting to me. I don't agree with all of her positions, but I like that there are still people in the tech world who are willing to take strong and sometimes radical stances on moral issues against the current of capitalism. I feel like she's the closest thing we have to an rms-type figure today.
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#5After losing my phone and not having a way to recover a lot of data, I've come to the realization that I don't want end to end encryption. I just want a responsible entity to store all my data in a secure way, and they'd only make money from what I'd pay them. If I lose everything, I still want access to my data, even if a proof of identity costs me. Of course incentive systems make that very hard in today's corporat…
I'm pretty sure you just described iMessage + iCloud backup (among other setups)
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#6I'm wondering if this proposal is enforced, and you opt out, how would it be known whether you're sending someone a URL? How would a URL even be distinguished from other text when you have opted out?
I suppose you could detect some patterns, and it definitely wouldn't be clickable. But is the text google.com considered a URL for example? I guess it isn't?
(yeah I know, it's a stupid law anyway, but just wondering)
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#7I'm wondering if this proposal is enforced, and you opt out, how would it be known whether you're sending someone a URL? How would a URL even be distinguished from other text when you have opted out? I suppose you could detect some patterns, and it definitely wouldn't be clickable. But is the text google.com considered a URL for example? I guess it isn't? (yeah I know, it's a stupid law anyway, but just wondering)
It wont be perfect and it will fail in stupid ways, by design.
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#8I'm wondering if this proposal is enforced, and you opt out, how would it be known whether you're sending someone a URL? How would a URL even be distinguished from other text when you have opted out? I suppose you could detect some patterns, and it definitely wouldn't be clickable. But is the text google.com considered a URL for example? I guess it isn't? (yeah I know, it's a stupid law anyway, but just wondering)
If you 'opt out', service providers can prevent you from sending anything under these new rules. You might not even be able to reach out to support to complain without consenting to your messages being scanned.
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#9After losing my phone and not having a way to recover a lot of data, I've come to the realization that I don't want end to end encryption. I just want a responsible entity to store all my data in a secure way, and they'd only make money from what I'd pay them. If I lose everything, I still want access to my data, even if a proof of identity costs me. Of course incentive systems make that very hard in today's corporat…
This is not just idealistic - it's bordering on naive. Tech companies have proven, repeatedly, over decades, that they are not responsible with our data.
Re: New branding, same scanning: Upload moderation undermines end-to-end encryption [pdf]
#10After losing my phone and not having a way to recover a lot of data, I've come to the realization that I don't want end to end encryption. I just want a responsible entity to store all my data in a secure way, and they'd only make money from what I'd pay them. If I lose everything, I still want access to my data, even if a proof of identity costs me. Of course incentive systems make that very hard in today's corporat…
I don't think end-to-end encryption prevents server backup. It means that decryption keys is in your mind and at most on your personal device.
A server backup is useless if you can’t decrypt it and it’s very easy to accidentally lose the keys for end-to-end decryption. I too have lost my Signal history by migrating to a new phone incorrectly.