Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
1–10 of 25 posts
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#2Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#3[deleted]
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#4This is fallacious neocon reasoning. Countries are always looking to expand their borders, for many reasons. Few of them are Nazi Germany. What Russia is doing now is much closer to what Bismarck did in unifying Germany or Garibaldi did in unifying Italy. Or what Iraq tried to do with Kuwait.
Would it have been justified for Europe to intervene militarily when the US wrested California and Texas from Mexico? Maybe or maybe not, but it certainly wasn’t the first step in the US taking over the world.
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#5This is fallacious neocon reasoning. Countries are always looking to expand their borders, for many reasons. Few of them are Nazi Germany. What Russia is doing now is much closer to what Bismarck did in unifying Germany or Garibaldi did in unifying Italy. Or what Iraq tried to do with Kuwait. Would it have been justified for Europe to intervene militarily when the US wrested California and Texas from Mexico? Maybe or…
No, it’s nothing like German or Italian unification. That’s ahistorical nonsense.
In both of those cases there had been decades of nation wide, protests, insurrections and guerilla movements in favor of creating a sovereign nation to prevent domination by foreign powers, Austria in the case of Italy and France in the wake of napoleon for the minor German states.
In Ukraine there has been a decades of nation wide protests insurrections and guerrilla movements in favor of creating a sovereign Ukrainian nation so that they will no longer be dominated by Russia.
Putin is not garibaldi, he is not unifying a people who have shown they want to be part of some wider national project, he is an imperialist.
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#6This is fallacious neocon reasoning. Countries are always looking to expand their borders, for many reasons. Few of them are Nazi Germany. What Russia is doing now is much closer to what Bismarck did in unifying Germany or Garibaldi did in unifying Italy. Or what Iraq tried to do with Kuwait. Would it have been justified for Europe to intervene militarily when the US wrested California and Texas from Mexico? Maybe or…
As long as we're talking about fallacious rhetoric, you set the bar at a country having to "be" Nazi Germany, instead of just having similar expansionist goals.
You avoid mentioning NATO and the reasons Putin views it as a threat, probably because it would undercut your claim that there are no worthwhile parallels to WWII here.
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#7Fun fact: Mitch McConnell was born in 1942
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#8> Some vocal corners of the American right are trying to resurrect the discredited brand of prewar isolationism and deny the basic value of the alliance system that has kept the postwar peace.
By “some on the right “ you mean your presidential candidate and most of your party.
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#9This is fallacious neocon reasoning. Countries are always looking to expand their borders, for many reasons. Few of them are Nazi Germany. What Russia is doing now is much closer to what Bismarck did in unifying Germany or Garibaldi did in unifying Italy. Or what Iraq tried to do with Kuwait. Would it have been justified for Europe to intervene militarily when the US wrested California and Texas from Mexico? Maybe or…
No, it’s nothing like German or Italian unification. That’s ahistorical nonsense. In both of those cases there had been decades of nation wide, protests, insurrections and guerilla movements in favor of creating a sovereign nation to prevent domination by foreign powers, Austria in the case of Italy and France in the wake of napoleon for the minor German states. In Ukraine there has been a decades of nation wide prot…
You think Germans and Italians all wanted to be part of a single nation? Bismarck and Garibaldi marched with armies. So did the U.S. You think Mexicans wanted to be part of the U.S.?
Putin obviously has expansionist aims. But regional expansionism is widespread, and rarely something countries on the other side of the world need to be involved with. Kuwait certainly didn’t want to be part of Iraq, but that wasn’t any of our business either. Same for South Korea and south Vietnam.
Re: Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
#10This is fallacious neocon reasoning. Countries are always looking to expand their borders, for many reasons. Few of them are Nazi Germany. What Russia is doing now is much closer to what Bismarck did in unifying Germany or Garibaldi did in unifying Italy. Or what Iraq tried to do with Kuwait. Would it have been justified for Europe to intervene militarily when the US wrested California and Texas from Mexico? Maybe or…
As long as we're talking about fallacious rhetoric, you set the bar at a country having to "be" Nazi Germany, instead of just having similar expansionist goals. You avoid mentioning NATO and the reasons Putin views it as a threat, probably because it would undercut your claim that there are no worthwhile parallels to WWII here.
My point is that “Nazi germany” is a small subset of “expansionism” and the latter is widespread and mostly none of our business. Borders shift. It’s not America’s job to police whatever borders happened to exist at some arbitrary point in time all over the world.