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The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Look I lean pretty far left. But some times I feel like my fellow lefties are blind to their right leaning peers.

Someone needs to clue the author in to middle skill jobs. Plumbers, electricians, machinists, elevator repair... There are a lot of people going into industry's because of parents or extended family gave them a foot in the door. Because many of them started young and by 18 are already "middle skilled".

You now have kids in red states who understand the math behind loans because they watch their parents get burned, because they use the internet, because they know folks who went to college, didn't finish and spent years paying it off.

Candidly I would grant for many of them skipping school makes more sense than getting a degree that amounts to under water basket weaving when it comes to job prospects.

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post #2

Look I lean pretty far left. But some times I feel like my fellow lefties are blind to their right leaning peers. Someone needs to clue the author in to middle skill jobs. Plumbers, electricians, machinists, elevator repair... There are a lot of people going into industry's because of parents or extended family gave them a foot in the door. Because many of them started young and by 18 are already "middle skilled". Yo…

Young people choosing not to matriculate because universities are too expensive, too ideological, too useless… will do more to fix the universities than an infinite stream of think pieces, congressional appropriations or rubber stamping by the boards of trustees.

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so the article ignores the fact that most of the gen Z college kids theyre ostensibly referencing got a front-row seat to watch their parents struggle with undischargeable student loan debt that likely still haunts them into their retirement.

watching your parents toil in debtors prison is a great way to wind up rethinking your options for the future.

edit: this authors entire substack is mostly posts railing against DEI liberalism and flogging the culture war in general. low effort article.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Eh, seems kinda linkbaity.

I'm not convinced there's a crisis, perhaps lowered college enrollment is a good thing for everyone. If a student doesn't enjoy it they don't have to go, and if students don't feel welcome in theory the free market will essentially correct without random internet people needing to fret.

I think the obvious thing to do, if one presumes college education is universally good, would be to simply ask the kids who don't like college why they don't like it.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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Wrong. The problem was when interest peaked and people were giving the impression that the only path anyone should take is seeking a university degree. A whole lot of people ended up spending an enormous amount of money and working really hard on degrees that did not add value to their lives either through career opportunities or the other nonjob benefits a university degree can offer but increasingly does not because so many are just chasing the certification and have little interest in education for its own sake.

Immigration programs like H1B also sucked the market out of low end education required jobs so employers never had to reach out to entice rural kids to getting degrees and joining them. The open door to immigration left those people behind which has fueled the current class/ideology conflict in the US. Donald Trump is what half the country imagines their best case of success would look like because there’s so little of people that they identify with gaining success.

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Look I lean pretty far left. But some times I feel like my fellow lefties are blind to their right leaning peers. Someone needs to clue the author in to middle skill jobs. Plumbers, electricians, machinists, elevator repair... There are a lot of people going into industry's because of parents or extended family gave them a foot in the door. Because many of them started young and by 18 are already "middle skilled". Yo…

In short, the crisis isn't enrollment - left or right. The "crisis" is that an investment in a college degree pays inferior returns. The solution for any given higher edu institution is simple:

1) provide the knowledge and skills that make a degteed student more valuable in the market (i.e., to get a better job, higher salary, etc.)

2) Lower the cost of tuition. Demand is down so price should follow, obviously.

Unfortunately after years of cheap and easy money (i.e., student loans) these institutions have become slow, bloated, etc. Some deserve to perish.

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This article seems to be based on an assumption that total college enrollment in and of itself is an important and meaningful metric, and that seeing it decrease is a bad thing.

In reality, looking at total enrollment rate matters for very few people. That stat is only meaningful to universities themselves and the banks writing student loans.

An individual's life, or society as a whole isn't made better solely by graduating college - at that point its just a piece of paper and a huge expense. What matters is how a person's life compares to what it would have been without college, total enrollment will never tell you that.

Re: The Political Causes of the College Enrollment Crisis

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so the article ignores the fact that most of the gen Z college kids theyre ostensibly referencing got a front-row seat to watch their parents struggle with undischargeable student loan debt that likely still haunts them into their retirement. watching your parents toil in debtors prison is a great way to wind up rethinking your options for the future. edit: this authors entire substack is mostly posts railing against…

Especially when plenty don’t work professional jobs anyway as a result.

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Wrong. The problem was when interest peaked and people were giving the impression that the only path anyone should take is seeking a university degree. A whole lot of people ended up spending an enormous amount of money and working really hard on degrees that did not add value to their lives either through career opportunities or the other nonjob benefits a university degree can offer but increasingly does not becaus…

The time and effort expenditure to get a degree is often forgotten. It's the biggest thing, I think, and also the biggest economic impact: all that time spent studying, isn't (directly at least) providing value to anyone except maybe to the student.
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