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Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

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As an active programmer and bass player, I used to suffer cramps and wrist pain after extended hours. After a friend suggested it I bought a metal NSD powerball to train the micro-muscles in my hands. I spend about 20 minutes a day training it and after about 3 months the pain stopped and went away - I still regularly use it in 3 minute on, one minute rest intervals.

I also use regular keyboards.

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#3
been using dvorak for > 15 years. switched because of pain from coding 12-14+ days at startups. also used a kinesis advantage for ~10 years. am now on a topre realforce, which i very much prefer over the kinesis, and have been for 6 months without the pain returning. so, half-splitting the problem, i don't think it's the keyboard.

worth mentioning: i can't imagine typing in qwerty now. it just doesn't have that buttery flow that dvorak does. i'm quantitatively 20% faster at typing now as well.

however, i've come to the conclusion that of all the changes i made at the time, buying a good chair and desk made the biggest impact, because in the process of doing so i did enough research to realize i had to correct my body position.

at the time i had an anthro fit console cart and a humanscale freedom chair. these two were the perfect combination.

there's a collection of pretty good information here: http://www.hermanmiller.com/research/topics/ergonomics.html

i am now using an aeron chair (not because of the herman miller guide above) with an anthro 60" adjusta unit for my computer workstation and a 48" standard unit as a return desk. the main reason i switched to an aeron is that the freedom chair wasn't good for my needs, which changed (i have a fairly high metabolism and stay very warm during the day, so the cooling the aeron offered was very welcome).

i was using the freedom chair with a fit standard cart for a while, and the pain returned. immediately purchased a desk with a height adjustable keyboard tray that would allow me to have my keyboard in such a way that my shoulders were relaxed and my elbows were neutral. pain went away immediately.

Edit: sorry for the edits, i've had a little bit of wine.

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#4
The best-selling books on Amazon on RSI both recommend getting deep tissue massages. I've gotten a bunch, and they seem to help more than anything else I've tried, but I've still been unable to type for more than an hour without getting symptoms for the past eight months.

This has completely ruined my life, so I recommend taking wrist pain seriously. Preventative measures are probably best. Here is a nifty sit/stand keyboard tray that will significantly improve the ergonomics of your desk and also allow you to stand to work whenever you want to:

http://www.amazon.com/Waterloo-Keyboard-Featuring-Lift-N-Loc...

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#5
Or go to a physiotherapist. Now. Just to get you on the right track before you do yourself further damage.

(I had a bout of pain that lasted about three weeks, with a longer period of discomfort that followed. If I typed at all, it was with two pencils; I paired with a guy I was training and he did all the typing for that period. I was only able to get back into it after a month of physio appointments, directed exercises and remedial massage. I know I'm just a single data point, but I don't see how at least getting a professional opinion just in case would be a bad thing.)

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#6
I graduated college with some debilitating wrist tendinitis setting in. By the time I got a few months into my first full-time programming job, I could barely shift my car going home, I was despairing and depressed.

I got into physical therapy. They taught me stretches and strengthening exercises that made an enormous difference. They got me into some heavy duty wrist braces (neoprene with a metal bar for support and velcro to get a good, snug fit), which I wore for about a year. They also tried various sorts of heat application and friction massage which had varied results. Certainly, bracing, stretching (all through the day at regular intervals), and strengthening were the key.

For keyboards, I first tried the Kinesis Maxim, which splits down the middle and can be adjusted to different angles. It was a night and day difference versus the old Microsoft "Natural", which, in retrospect, is the most unnatural, horrible keyboard I've ever used. Later, I jumped into the Kinesis Classic (as shown in the blog post) and haven't looked back. I now have a collection of three, accumulated from jobs over the years.

I also switched to left-hand mousing, which helped tremendously with my more-damaged right wrist. Finally, I switched to Dvorak which helped, but not nearly as much as the previously listed factors. Incidentally, I'm entirely capable of switching between Dvorak and Qwerty (touch typing) with little hesitation and only a few initial errors. Later, taking up rock climbing strengthened my wrists such that I had zero further wrist issues, and didn't need to do my focused wrist strengthening exercises.

Of course, your mileage may vary. My problem was tendinitis, not the seemingly more common carpal tunnel syndrome.

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#7
Surprised that he didn't mention:

1. stretches

Do this before any extended typing session: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSbf4mBKq-o Doesn't have to take more than 30 seconds, just DO IT

2. height of the keyboard

The vast majority of desks simply aren't the right height. Your hands should be comfortably pointed down and not over your wrist. Had some issues with wrist pain a couple years ago, never had any problems since.

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#8
I too have wrist pain some time back.

To my understanding this kind of pain will come due to stiffness in the muscles in hands,shoulders,neck.This stiffness radiates the pain to wrist.After some months of pain i visited a famous doctor (http://www.deepaksharan.com/ (india)) he asked to take 6-7 session of Myotherapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myotherapy) and also suggested few exercises , good posture which has removed the pain from my wrist and hands.

If you want i can send you scanned copy of those exercise posters.(rama.vadakattu at gmail dot com)

I feel you should also consult a professional and get rid of that pain by myotherapy ,regular exercises and good posture.

It is defintely curable (although they may be few exceptions).

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

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Or go to a physiotherapist. Now. Just to get you on the right track before you do yourself further damage. (I had a bout of pain that lasted about three weeks, with a longer period of discomfort that followed. If I typed at all, it was with two pencils; I paired with a guy I was training and he did all the typing for that period. I was only able to get back into it after a month of physio appointments, directed exerc…

Not had any problems (yet) caused by computer use, but having badly fucked up my wrist twice, once playing squash and once playing cricket, I can back up the "see a professional".

They exist for a reason, they will no how long (if at all) you need to rest an injury, and they'll know how to treat it to minimise downtime.

Re: Dealing with Wrist Pain

#10
I occasionally get wrist pain. I have found that a lot of changes are not necessarily the ones the ergonomics experts sell. YMMV but these work for me:

1) If I need to, I take a break and soak my hands in hot water.

2) I program in Perl and tend to find that my hands shift positions. In particular my right hand tends to shift at least one place over compared to typing prose. I find standard keyboards, not ergonomic ones, accommodate this best. But the keyboard needs to be at a low, relaxes angle (on one's lap is best) and ideally a wristpad helps.

3) Mice are the root of most wrist pain! Ditch the mouse and get a trackball. This one really is close to universal. I know a number of others who have found this to be true.

4) Pay attention to your body.... If your wrists are bothering you stop and relax them before proceeding. Also pay attention to your arms and make sure they are relaxed. This should be common sense but....

5) If your wrists hurt for more than a little bit, prompt medical attention is a good thing. Chances are if you catch things quickly a wrist brace may even allow you to keep working or at least it did me when I started to develop carpal tunnel briefly. Early attention is very important.

I have tried ergonomic keyboards and found they did more harm than good. I also found that wrist pads did more good than harm at least for me. YMMV which is why I keep coming back to listen to your body.....

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