Fire for Water: A tribe in California is helping to reshape fire management
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#3the recent Handbook for California firefighting with tribal involvement is one thousand five hundred pages .. with Hollywood-caliber graphics and more than a hundred authors.
some google scholar links https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=good...
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#4"Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state ‘you gotta clean your floors’"
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/...
Weird
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#5"Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state ‘you gotta clean your floors’" https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/... Weird
Anyone in forestry has known for decades 'smoky the bear' is killin our forests.
though each forest it different and California forests need very different treatment from most.
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#6"Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state ‘you gotta clean your floors’" https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/... Weird
Anyone in forestry has known for decades 'smoky the bear' is killin our forests. though each forest it different and California forests need very different treatment from most.
I think the point of Smoky Bear is to prevent accidental fires through carelessness, from somebody not extinguishing their campfire or a discarded lit cigarette, by the general public. Managing wildfire risk with intentional, controlled burns is something else entirely.
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#7It is worth mentioning that many states do significant amounts of controlled burns as a routine thing. Growing up in the Midwest, it was just a common thing, nothing out of the ordinary. I think in the southeast, it's even more common. It really helps limit the damage when an uncontrolled fire does start
For some reason out here in the West Coast, there's an aversion to doing enough controlled burns. I'm not sure why, though someone pointed out a federal vs state thing to me once.
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#8It is worth mentioning that many states do significant amounts of controlled burns as a routine thing. Growing up in the Midwest, it was just a common thing, nothing out of the ordinary. I think in the southeast, it's even more common. It really helps limit the damage when an uncontrolled fire does start For some reason out here in the West Coast, there's an aversion to doing enough controlled burns. I'm not sure why…
Is the federal vs. state thing “the federal government controls most of the land at issue in the west and decides policies, not the states”.
Because that's actually the situation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_lands#/media/File%3A...
Re: Fire for Water: A tribe in California is helping to reshape fire management
#9It is worth mentioning that many states do significant amounts of controlled burns as a routine thing. Growing up in the Midwest, it was just a common thing, nothing out of the ordinary. I think in the southeast, it's even more common. It really helps limit the damage when an uncontrolled fire does start For some reason out here in the West Coast, there's an aversion to doing enough controlled burns. I'm not sure why…
Is the federal vs. state thing “the federal government controls most of the land at issue in the west and decides policies, not the states”. Because that's actually the situation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_lands#/media/File%3A...
Yea I think that's it
Though I don't know the exact details on that w.r.t. controlled burns, because parts of the federal government are definitely very on board with controlled burns (like say the US Forest Service). I dunno what's going on there.
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#10I largely agree with the thrust of the article, but wow is it one-sided. Which is fine, I'd just like to read another article that discusses some of the issues as well. Like air quality—the mention of smoke being thick enough to drop stream temperatures by 2.5°F didn't seem quite as wonderful to me as the article implied. (Then again, that seems like an extreme case, and one where you're burning a lot of wet stuff. Well, or oily stuff like scotch broom; that smoke can be black.) Obviously it's still a lot better than an out of control wildfire, but still not something to just ignore.
The one thing they did mention is fires that escape. It's a risk when doing traditional burns in highly non-traditional settings: lots more dead vegetation in the surrounding area, invasives (like scotch broom or eucalyptus) that burn hotter and can shoot out streams of fire, drier conditions overall, etc.
That said, continuing the trend of constructing buildings in the midst of forests where you're allowing fuel to just pile up over time, in drought conditions no less, is stupid. I'd rather try to manage and mitigate the risk over time with controlled burns than keep allowing it to build up while we're all busy wringing our hands over it.