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How Google Is Crushing Tuta

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Re: How Google Is Crushing Tuta

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Post by mikece »

Considering that Google is a direct competitor with Tuta in the context of email I don't see how this isn't illegal, anti-competitive behavior. Google would be stupid to blame this on their algo because that has second order consequences which would cost them more than paying a settlement to Tuta and knocking this nonsense off.

Re: How Google Is Crushing Tuta

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Post by StressedDev »

mikece wrote: post #2

Considering that Google is a direct competitor with Tuta in the context of email I don't see how this isn't illegal, anti-competitive behavior. Google would be stupid to blame this on their algo because that has second order consequences which would cost them more than paying a settlement to Tuta and knocking this nonsense off.

What do you mean by "second order consequences?" Also, what if this is caused by a bug in Google's search engine? Would that also be illegal? Is it anti-competitive if Google made a mistake?

Re: How Google Is Crushing Tuta

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Post by xnx »

First: Google doesn't owe any site any traffic regardless of how much traffic it might have received in the past.

Second: If you want https://mail.tutanota.com/login to rank for "tutanota login" you should put the word "Tutanota" somewhere in the title tag of that page.

Additionally, Google has no cached version of that page so there's probably some technical problem (if past experience is any guide, the problem is not on Google's side). https://mail.tutanota.com/ also has no sitemap.xml or robots.txt file. It is extremely unlikely this is some conspiracy and more likely some failure of the most basic SEO measures.

Re: How Google Is Crushing Tuta

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Post by mikece »

StressedDev wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

Considering that Google is a direct competitor with Tuta in the context of email I don't see how this isn't illegal, anti-competitive behavior. Google would be stupid to blame this on their algo because that has second order consequences which would cost them more than paying a settlement to Tuta and knocking this nonsense off.

What do you mean by "second order consequences?" Also, what if this is caused by a bug in Google's search engine? Would that also be illegal? Is it anti-competitive if Google made a mistake?

Would Google really admit there was a bug in their search engine? Paid search results is what makes Google the most money. Admitting they can't deliver bug-free results causes people to lose confidence and decide to advertise elsewhere.

Re: How Google Is Crushing Tuta

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Post by shadowgovt »

mikece wrote: post #2

Considering that Google is a direct competitor with Tuta in the context of email I don't see how this isn't illegal, anti-competitive behavior. Google would be stupid to blame this on their algo because that has second order consequences which would cost them more than paying a settlement to Tuta and knocking this nonsense off.

I'd be willing to entertain a conspiracy theory if searches like "alternatives to GMail" didn't still work (and show Tuta front-and-center).

This is misconfig, either on Tuta's part or Google's (Google's search result infrastructure is distributed and sometimes a cluster just plain goes down without enough replicas to maintain the search hierarchy integrity; that isn't considered a P0 failure because users still get results back, just not the results they usually get).

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