Redis is forked

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Post by colton_padden » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 4:51 PM UTC

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by rafaelturk » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:30 PM UTC

I can't wait for comunity consensus of the new de facto Redis Fork. So far seems that the current choice is in favor of Valkey.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by refulgentis » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:31 PM UTC

I thought the author was bringing in genAI for little reason...then I clicked through. For some reason storing vectors and chats is core to Redis' vision of its future. (https://redis.io/blog/the-future-of-redis/)

I'm, generally, a mobile dev so I'm not familiar with redis. My handwave-y understanding is its a in-memory key/value DB.

I don't understand how that brings anything to the table for genAI. Couldn't the pitch read the same if you were mongoDB, postgres, whoever?

Also, my goodness, my eternal enemy, the idea a vector DB is something different than keeping a store of file -> pair>.

The odds you need a vector DB unless you're doing insanely high scale stuff with AI are very low. If you're doing consumer stuff, please use ONNX and keep the pair, and thus the file, local and private.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by hnthrowaway6543 » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:32 PM UTC

Generally my stance with these forks born from community drama is "wait and see." Sometimes the fork will gain traction and become the de facto "true" version (see Hudson -> Jenkins). Sometimes the fork will flop and people will largely stick to the original despite whatever caused the schism (see Terraform -> OpenTofu).

Many of these recent forks are being done because people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on top of their free open-source product and resell it, making tens of millions of dollars per day in the process. I can't really blame them.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by NewJazz » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

hnthrowaway6543 wrote: post #4

Generally my stance with these forks born from community drama is "wait and see." Sometimes the fork will gain traction and become the de facto "true" version (see Hudson -> Jenkins). Sometimes the fork will flop and people will largely stick to the original despite whatever caused the schism (see Terraform -> OpenTofu). Many of these recent forks are being done because people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on…

You think opentofu is a flop?

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by dainiusse » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

hnthrowaway6543 wrote: post #4

Generally my stance with these forks born from community drama is "wait and see." Sometimes the fork will gain traction and become the de facto "true" version (see Hudson -> Jenkins). Sometimes the fork will flop and people will largely stick to the original despite whatever caused the schism (see Terraform -> OpenTofu). Many of these recent forks are being done because people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on…

I think it is too early to evaluate Terraform/OpenToFu. They're diverging now and it looks like OpenToFu are bringing on some wanted features.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by asia92 » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:37 PM UTC

hnthrowaway6543 wrote: post #4

Generally my stance with these forks born from community drama is "wait and see." Sometimes the fork will gain traction and become the de facto "true" version (see Hudson -> Jenkins). Sometimes the fork will flop and people will largely stick to the original despite whatever caused the schism (see Terraform -> OpenTofu). Many of these recent forks are being done because people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on…

Remember the joke that was ayojs?

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by binary132 » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:37 PM UTC

More and more software which was previously small-proprietor / artisan / commons is now, and will become, essentially corporate property.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by wood_spirit » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:37 PM UTC

Changing from an open source license is a kind of tech product spin on enshitification.

Even if the product continues to get features and active development, like Oracle poured into MySQL after its acquisition, a database or framework going less open source is still a death knell.

The mainstream programmers will move on and use something else. Anything else. Who who has heard that the license can change would now pick it for a new project?

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by geek_at » Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 5:39 PM UTC

hnthrowaway6543 wrote: post #4

Generally my stance with these forks born from community drama is "wait and see." Sometimes the fork will gain traction and become the de facto "true" version (see Hudson -> Jenkins). Sometimes the fork will flop and people will largely stick to the original despite whatever caused the schism (see Terraform -> OpenTofu). Many of these recent forks are being done because people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on…

Best example for a successful fork is gitea. It's so incredible what they have achieved since the fork from gogs