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Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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This is a great effort. People just doing something good for the community. No expectation of reward or seeking rent on the output. Just doing the right thing.

Compare with Google who use their monopoly position to keep amassing data which they keep for themselves. Imagine all the effort that's gone into working for Google for free that could have been put into OSM. If you work on tools for allowing people to do that you should be ashamed.

On a different note it's funny to think back to the start of OSM. It was created in the UK because all the data from our beloved national mapping department, all paid for by us, the public, of course, was not available for use in any way by emerging digital technology like GPS etc. After waiting for too long people decided we'll just build our own. Now we have one of the richest datasets in existence and it's free. There's still a ton of stuff locked up in Ordnance Survey, though, and can't be released because reasons.

It's also fun to think how much fun OSM was back then. We were literally walking round neighbourhoods collecting GPS data in completely blank parts of the map. Satellite imagery came later but can't help thinking it's a way things becoming "better" made them less fun.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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It would be handy to give street mappers some sort of defense tool from dogs. Like air horn, sticks or maybe peper spray. India has a huge problem with packs of wild street dogs, that regularly attack and kill people. It is dangerous to roam on streets you do not know very well.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to.

Also:

> It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix,

What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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This is a great effort. People just doing something good for the community. No expectation of reward or seeking rent on the output. Just doing the right thing. Compare with Google who use their monopoly position to keep amassing data which they keep for themselves. Imagine all the effort that's gone into working for Google for free that could have been put into OSM. If you work on tools for allowing people to do that…

This. OSM is a gold mine.

It deserves all the praises it gets.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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post #4

I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to. Also: > It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix, What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

Matrix.org (and Element) is running out of money and hosts a large number of free users. The rest of the community probably won't be able to handle the influx of users the day the Matrix.org homeserver needs to close.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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This is a great effort. People just doing something good for the community. No expectation of reward or seeking rent on the output. Just doing the right thing. Compare with Google who use their monopoly position to keep amassing data which they keep for themselves. Imagine all the effort that's gone into working for Google for free that could have been put into OSM. If you work on tools for allowing people to do that…

I wouldn't call Ordinance Survey beloved. Their leisure maps have been a rotting liability for the last decade at least. Totally untrustworthy for hikers/walkers.

I only discovered OSM after getting shafted on a public footpath which was completely destroyed and had been for years with a river running through it and a mud bank.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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OpenStreetMap is great and I only wish more people using apps like Strava, RideWithGPS, Komoot or OSMAnd realized that they can contribute, benefitting everybody else using those apps.

In Toronto I only see a very small number of people contributing to OSM's cycling infrastructure, which results in the map not as up-to-date, which in turn means that the aforementioned apps will not propose routes through the nicest, most recently built bicycle tracks we have in the city. The situation is not terrible by any means, but it could be better.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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post #4

I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to. Also: > It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix, What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

It seems like the original post may be just a little biased against Matrix in favour of XMPP ;)

Matrix has been going strong for 10 years, and while it's true that the Matrix.org Foundation (and Element) need funding (c.f. https://matrix.org/blog/2024/01/2024-roadmap-and-fundraiser/ and https://matrix.org/blog/2024/04/open-source-publicly-funded-...) it's clear that elsewhere in the Matrix ecosystem there's loads of $ flying around: https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/09/wordpress-com-owner-automa... etc.

So I think it's a little ridiculous to call Matrix "unsustainable" (at least any more than any other FOSS project).

> I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

I'm glad, thank you for using it.

Re: Organizing OpenStreetMap mapping parties

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post #4

I'm really curious how this person got codeberg pages working, I still haven't managed to get a codeberg page deployed. I thought it required a 3rd party server, like their actions seem to. Also: > It's easy to pick a proprietary network like Telegram or an unsustainable one like Matrix, What's unsustainable about Matrix? I've really enjoyed running our community on Matrix.

Matrix only recently started adopting an (as of now) experimental protocol that allows purging older parts of the append-only data set that constitutes a channel.
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