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Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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Re: Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?

That costs money and requires regulation. Since this is the United States, we know how those two things will be received.

Re: Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?

>How about reversing those trends?

How? Americans clearly want huge SUVs, and want to drive them very, very fast, and act like any effort to restrict these from them are attacks on their "freedoms". They even think it's an attack on their freedom if they have to pay for parking or for driving on a road.

Re: Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?

No. I mean yeah, but no. Those things matter, but THIS change was specifically caused by the pandemic. All over America, many drivers became SIGNIFICANTLY less conscientious, for reasons left to the imagination of the reader who is assumed to also have lived through the pandemic. It almost seems like a new cultural norm of less caring about the greater good and more selfishness on the road -- antisocial behavior, in other words.

Both anecdotally and statistically you see this all over the country, just since 2019 -- a very quick change over a very short time. So it seems strange to even think about any other cause, even if in general they are relevant -- those are just much slower acting things than the sudden impact of the pandemic.

We actually had road harms down or at least flattish until then.

Re: Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?

>How about reversing those trends? How? Americans clearly want huge SUVs, and want to drive them very, very fast, and act like any effort to restrict these from them are attacks on their "freedoms". They even think it's an attack on their freedom if they have to pay for parking or for driving on a road.

A lot of people only seem to want huge SUVs because of the safety issues caused by other huge SUVs.

People definitely don’t like the high costs. And I’m not sure how much they love the really big ones, only the smaller.

They’d live the better fuel economy of smaller vehicles. They hated SUVs at first and had to be convinced by years and years of ads and product placement.

Yes some tiny part of the populace will freak out about their rights to 20ft tall SUVs. Let them have them, just put an insane tax on them to cover the horrific externalities.

No one likes new cars pushing $40k. Sitting in an SUV and seeing the hood of the truck next to you is over your head.

Some people didn’t want seatbelts. Or airbags. Or helmets on motorcycles. It’s ok to move forward anyway.

Re: Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?

No. I mean yeah, but no. Those things matter, but THIS change was specifically caused by the pandemic. All over America, many drivers became SIGNIFICANTLY less conscientious, for reasons left to the imagination of the reader who is assumed to also have lived through the pandemic. It almost seems like a new cultural norm of less caring about the greater good and more selfishness on the road -- antisocial behavior, in…

I don’t disagree. But there are lots of easy ways to cut traffic deaths besides trying to turn back behavior changes of the last few years.

Like making cars less deadly. Cutting down the number of trips. Thus my comment.

Re: Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer

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If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?

No. I mean yeah, but no. Those things matter, but THIS change was specifically caused by the pandemic. All over America, many drivers became SIGNIFICANTLY less conscientious, for reasons left to the imagination of the reader who is assumed to also have lived through the pandemic. It almost seems like a new cultural norm of less caring about the greater good and more selfishness on the road -- antisocial behavior, in…

The pandemic was hard on people world wide, probably harder on people outside of America. Only America is seeing this trend.

The pandemic and anti-social behaviour is not the cause. American people are not unique, but the built form of their cities and the type of cars they drive is. That is more likely the cause.

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