You're Always Carrying a Cannon
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You're Always Carrying a Cannon
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#3“Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.”
Dread Pirate Roberts
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#4Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you?
Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law.
E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
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#5Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you? Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law. E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
It depends on the company and their policies. When working at large companies, there is generally a HR department that has to "approve" all firings. This is usually to make sure policies and laws are being followed.
At smaller companies in most of the US, a manager can just say bye and you're gone.
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#6Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you? Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law. E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
I have fired people for insubordination. Specifically public insubordination.
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#7Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you? Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law. E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
In the US, it depends on state law, at least to some degree. In some states you can be fired without cause and without recourse; in others you can't.
Note well: I am not a labor-law lawyer. There may be some nuances and details here that escape me.
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#8Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you? Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law. E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
in non-unionized jobs in the US, yes this is true for all intents and purposes. it's not very easy in larger corporations, but they can pretty much always make it happen
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#9Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you? Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law. E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
In the US, especially in CA, where so many readers of this site live and work, absolutely.
All the policies and procedures are there to, ultimately, protect the company from wrongful termination or discrimination lawsuits. There's not really a govt body that mandates that.
(Handwave around: there are some protected activities that the govt cares if you're fired for, and if you can prove you were fired as retaliation then the company is in trouble, but mostly your manager can just fire you)
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#10Is it really true that in general, a manager can just fire you? Where I work, my manager can report badly about me, but he cannot fire me. Even if the team responsible for hiring/firing concludes they will let me go, they still need to follow the law. E.g. there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior. Is this only true in Europe maybe?
> there needs to be documentation of my (mal) functioning and there has to be attemps to improve performance or behavior
Many large US companies also use such procedures. Instead of firing you on the spot, your manager puts you through a three-month "performance improvement program", aka PIP, during which the documentation of your inadequate performance and failure to improve is created, and then you are fired.