Roku's Ultimatum: Surrender Jury Trial Rights or Lose Access to Your TVs
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Roku's Ultimatum: Surrender Jury Trial Rights or Lose Access to Your TVs
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#3Roku seemed like the least bad choice when we were picking a new tv a few years ago, so that's what we have. If I could find a dumb display of the same size and quality without any of this software at a price even in the same ballpark I would opt for that, but that's not how the industry works anymore.
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#4I can't seem to reproduce on Kodi. Seriously, stop buying into the surveillance industry paradigm of churn. Stop connecting devices running proprietary software to their desired Internet command and control channel. Stop using streaming services that demand buying into the surveillance industry ecosystem. Stop talking about any of these attractive nuisances as if they're anything but technological dead ends.
It's at least somewhat understandable when Joe Sixpack goes to Targmart and tries to buy a TV, but comes home with a manufacturer backdoored surveillance device and only discovers the trap six months later. But why is this seemingly a consumer concern for a technical community? Everyone here should know better.
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#5Smart TVs have gotten absolutely terrible. My 2016 TCL Roku used to be pretty decent - quickly responsive, all the apps worked reasonably well, not filled with garbage. I didn't love the ads but they weren't particularly intrusive. By now, though, it's a lot less responsive, and I often have to tell it to check the WiFi connection even when nothing has changed, or else it thinks it isn't connected to the internet.
The Samsung/Google TV I bought last year is absolute garbage. Always pushing ad-supported channels so Google can make a commission. Sluggish response out of the box that has only gotten worse. Roughly daily it will freeze up and need to be unplugged. I've had to just connect it to my computer and basically use it as a monitor to get any use out of it. Certainly soured me on any more Google products.
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#6I can't seem to reproduce on Kodi. Seriously, stop buying into the surveillance industry paradigm of churn. Stop connecting devices running proprietary software to their desired Internet command and control channel. Stop using streaming services that demand buying into the surveillance industry ecosystem. Stop talking about any of these attractive nuisances as if they're anything but technological dead ends. It's at…
What's your setup?
Re: Roku's Ultimatum: Surrender Jury Trial Rights or Lose Access to Your TVs
#7Smart TVs have gotten absolutely terrible. My 2016 TCL Roku used to be pretty decent - quickly responsive, all the apps worked reasonably well, not filled with garbage. I didn't love the ads but they weren't particularly intrusive. By now, though, it's a lot less responsive, and I often have to tell it to check the WiFi connection even when nothing has changed, or else it thinks it isn't connected to the internet. Th…
Get an AppleTV. Its responsive, and doesn't shove ads in your face. The downside is a lack of sideloading. I keep a firestick around for what I need to sideload, and cringe my way through the onslaught of ads to get into whatever app I need.
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#8Use stremio + torrentio + real debrid or kodi + real debrid and an old laptop running Linux instead of a Smart TV.
No more surveillance capitalism and a much better, cleaner experience. And the content range is unmatched.
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#9I got this non-dismissable dialog today on a TV which has the Roku software installed, but isn't a Roku product. So not only was the Roku functionality blocked until I agreed, but also the ability to use the TV as a monitor was disabled until the agreement was accepted.
Two interesting notes:
* In order to opt-out of the binding arbitration, you have to identify yourself and your devices, and possibly provide a proof of purchase, to Roku via snail mail. This is information that they would not necessarily have for a device like a 3rd party TV that just happens to use the Roku software.
* There is a clause in the agreement[0] that if more than 25 arbitration requests are received within a period of time, Roku is allowed to group the requests to avoid having to pay the abritration fees for each[1].
K. Mass Arbitrations. If 25 or more Claimant Notices are received by a party within 180 days of the first Claimant Notice that the party received, and all such Claimant Notices raise similar Claims and have the same or coordinated counsel, then these Claims will be considered “Mass Arbitrations.” You or Roku may advise the other if you or Roku believe that the Claims at issue are Mass Arbitrations, and disputes over whether a Claim meets the definition of “Mass Arbitrations” will be decided by the arbitration provider as an administrative matter. To the extent either party is asserting the same Claim as other persons and are represented by common or coordinated counsel, that party waives any objection that the joinder of all such persons is impracticable.
[0] https://docs.roku.com/published/disputeresolution/en/us
[1] https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/another-court-r...
Re: Roku's Ultimatum: Surrender Jury Trial Rights or Lose Access to Your TVs
#10I can't seem to reproduce on Kodi. Seriously, stop buying into the surveillance industry paradigm of churn. Stop connecting devices running proprietary software to their desired Internet command and control channel. Stop using streaming services that demand buying into the surveillance industry ecosystem. Stop talking about any of these attractive nuisances as if they're anything but technological dead ends. It's at…
What's your setup?
LG 43UD79 display (I believe the newer model is 43UN700), Kodi on NixOS pulling from an NFS mount, N3700-ITX motherboard (started its life as a low power server, then a router, now this), 2U black rackmount case with the ears removed that looks right at home in the entertainment center. I only do 1080p, if I wanted 4k I think I'd have to change the motherboard for a CPU with better decoding hardware.
I've had it in my head that I wouldn't mind a larger display some time, and from what I've seen I certainly can't rule out having to suffer some crapware UI with a glacial turn on delay. The important bit is that I would never connect such a device to the Internet where continuous updates invite manufacturer malfeasance.
In fact this is exactly what I've done with my receiver (Marantz NR1605). It was sold with various streaming capability gimmicks that didn't and don't matter to me. It continues to perform the same function that I bought it for nearly a decade ago.