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Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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There's thousands of lobbyists that need similar takedown exposes. Even the "good" ones, where you may agree with their stated goals: look at what they're actually doing. Look at the parties they fund for which politicians.

There's no one stays clean in the Beltway.

Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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Unrestricted campaign donations is a huge issue in US politics. It allows for the repeated undermining of democracy in favour of rich people's interests. It is anti-democratic to the core.

And I do not mean rich people who are in the upper 10% of income, it favours the ultra rich for whom a $100,000 political donation is pocket change.

Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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I'm all for UBI as long as the "U" is respected. The article curiously drops the word "Universal" when describing it:

First, to bring every reader up to speed, basic income (or UBI)...

Note also that the word citizens is used on the Wikipedia page.

I have a feeling the US will manage to bungle that too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income

Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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There's thousands of lobbyists that need similar takedown exposes. Even the "good" ones, where you may agree with their stated goals: look at what they're actually doing. Look at the parties they fund for which politicians. There's no one stays clean in the Beltway.

I'd argue that no one stays clean anywhere. Humanity is messy.

Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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post #6

There's thousands of lobbyists that need similar takedown exposes. Even the "good" ones, where you may agree with their stated goals: look at what they're actually doing. Look at the parties they fund for which politicians. There's no one stays clean in the Beltway.

I'd argue that no one stays clean anywhere. Humanity is messy.

I don't like when wrong is made to seem tolerable by calling it merely messy.

The world is of course actually messy and not b&w, but that fact doesn't change that.

It's like saying that killing is wrong, but sometimes we still have to kill. Yes we do, and killing is still wrong. If you kill someone, it's not because "humans are messy". Oh humans are just imperfect and sometmes you just kill your neighbor, it just happens, no way to avoid it. If you actually want to get anything done you can't be so aspberger absolutist and figure out how to work WITH the neighbor killers.

Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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UBI's critics expected these programs to have terrible outcomes, where recipients would spend their money on trivialities (or worse: drugs). Instead, what we find is that UBI recipients either spend it on essentials, stuff for their kids children or paying down debt.

Re: Billionaire-Fueled Lobbying Group Behind the State Bills to Ban UBI Experiments

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post #3

Unrestricted campaign donations is a huge issue in US politics. It allows for the repeated undermining of democracy in favour of rich people's interests. It is anti-democratic to the core. And I do not mean rich people who are in the upper 10% of income, it favours the ultra rich for whom a $100,000 political donation is pocket change.

As a European I already think there is not much democracy left in the USA. At a federal level it's moving towards an autocracy at a rapid pace, and a large part of the electorate seems keen to cheer it on.

At a local level money, gerrymandering and propaganda make it impossible to elect politicians who give a fair representation of people's interests. And with a two party system, it's more than likely that both of them fail to represent their policy preferences to begin with.

It frightens me that people are so easily manipulated and exploited.

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