Goodbye Auth0
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Goodbye Auth0
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Re: Goodbye Auth0
#2Join a Union.
The bitter truth is your employer has a lot more lawyers than you do. For all the talk about how well-compensated and in-demand tech workers are, the reality is usually different.
You need someone in your corner to help you fight for your rights.
If you're a tech worker in the UK, you can get three months free membership at https://prospect.org.uk/join/
Re: Goodbye Auth0
#3Join a Union. The bitter truth is your employer has a lot more lawyers than you do. For all the talk about how well-compensated and in-demand tech workers are, the reality is usually different. You need someone in your corner to help you fight for your rights. If you're a tech worker in the UK, you can get three months free membership at https://prospect.org.uk/join/
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#4I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened during a farewell dinner. So much more humane.
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#5Auth0 truly did an amazing job on hiring for culture, being transparent and living their values.
The pre-acquisition Glassdoor reviews were astounding and back this up.
For myself, working at auth0 was truly life altering. It was the first time I was in a long standing multi-national environment.
It was the first time I was deeply exposed to other cultures and ways of living.
As a side effect of working at Auth0, This exposure completely reshaped my worldview and thoughts on luck and privilege. Watching Argentina inflation fluctuate as people I spent 8 hours a day with struggle to pay their bills and provide for their families as I live stably with no worry I really internalized how much pure raw luck plays in setting us up for life: Who we’re born to and where we’re born.
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#6I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…
Honestly given Oktas recent security problems I don't blame them from be very pro-active in deactivating accounts, but the ways it's handled though is just inhumane. At least have the balls to call people, give them instructions and let them know that their account is being disabled during the call.
For companies like Okta, and a few other high security positions, it's not uncommon for companies in Europe to simply pay people do to nothing for their remaining time.
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#7It's difficult to find a good balance between engaging with your work and colleagues, and the reality that your employer-employee relationship is a business relationship that could be severed at any time. Reading this post reminds me of that.
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#8Join a Union. The bitter truth is your employer has a lot more lawyers than you do. For all the talk about how well-compensated and in-demand tech workers are, the reality is usually different. You need someone in your corner to help you fight for your rights. If you're a tech worker in the UK, you can get three months free membership at https://prospect.org.uk/join/
Join. A. Union.
https://utaw.tech/join/ also good.
Think of it as having an employment lawyer on retainer for £8 a month. Well worth the money.
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#9I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…
I think the answer is pretty simply due to the difference in laws. In the US no notice is legally required. As you noted, employees that already know their employment is shortly coming to an end generally don't perform to the same level. Therefore it is in the company's interest to give no advance notice whatsoever until employment is officially, actually terminated.
In every European country, there's a legal requirement to give notice. And therefore there is an incentive for the company to maintain amicable relations during the notice period to try and prevent trouble.
Re: Goodbye Auth0
#10I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…
This is not the "European culture", which I am not sure exists as one on this issue.
I have seen many times people be quickly "locked out" when being laid off. A term for this in the UK is "garden leave" because you're still paid but you're told not to work or come to the office anymore.
As the case may be this makes sense in order to avoid any issues (from bad blood in the office to actively malicious actions) and, realistically someone being laid off is not exactly going to do their best work, anyway...
Edit: Personally I think a quick cut is better as it avoids having to continue going to the office when you know it's pretty much pointless and it allows to focus on your next step. The thing is that it brings home the fact that this was all a business arrangement despite all the emotional attachment we may develop over time.