Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
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Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#2My MQ 3 refuses to work in the passenger seat in a moving car, it pops up a dialog box that says tracking has failed, maybe you can tell it to run without tracking but I never managed to hit the button. I saw a video where somebody has the same thing happen on the NY subway with an AVP.
For spatial computing to really work properly in a vehicle I think you need to keep track of both the world coordinate system and one that tracks the vehicle. In particular a lot of info from the IMU will have to be thrown out. It is probably useful to track small head motions but objects will drift eventually because of the vehicle as a whole accelerating and decelerating.
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#3My MQ 3 refuses to work in the passenger seat in a moving car, it pops up a dialog box that says tracking has failed, maybe you can tell it to run without tracking but I never managed to hit the button. I saw a video where somebody has the same thing happen on the NY subway with an AVP. For spatial computing to really work properly in a vehicle I think you need to keep track of both the world coordinate system and on…
The Vision Pro works in the passenger seat if you turn on travel mode, ideally prior to starting to move. It would probably allow for you to use it in the driver’s seat as well, but I’m not quite insane enough to check.
Windows in this mode stick to the relative position of your head, but they stay fixed relative to the orientation. The pass through is pretty good, even at night, low latency and good enough clarity for seeing cars and stuff.
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#4My MQ 3 refuses to work in the passenger seat in a moving car, it pops up a dialog box that says tracking has failed, maybe you can tell it to run without tracking but I never managed to hit the button. I saw a video where somebody has the same thing happen on the NY subway with an AVP. For spatial computing to really work properly in a vehicle I think you need to keep track of both the world coordinate system and on…
The Vision Pro works in the passenger seat if you turn on travel mode, ideally prior to starting to move. It would probably allow for you to use it in the driver’s seat as well, but I’m not quite insane enough to check. Windows in this mode stick to the relative position of your head, but they stay fixed relative to the orientation. The pass through is pretty good, even at night, low latency and good enough clarity f…
I haven't tested it myself, but it appears that it does[1].
1. https://www.tiktok.com/@alan_drives/video/733200801928426628...
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#5Maybe controversial, but I don't personally see an intrinsic problem with people wearing these things while driving so long as the passthrough is sufficiently low latency and has high enough resolution/fov. Of course the running apps need to not be too distracting, depending on how autonomous the car is. I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's field of vision so they don't have to glance at their dash speedometer or navigation device all the time. Only fundamental problem is how reliable the passthrough is, but it would take all of a second to whip the headset off if it suddenly went blank for some reason (which would be dangerous, but doesn't seem to be likely and most drivers regularly experience worse obstructions than that hypothetical one).
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#6My MQ 3 refuses to work in the passenger seat in a moving car, it pops up a dialog box that says tracking has failed, maybe you can tell it to run without tracking but I never managed to hit the button. I saw a video where somebody has the same thing happen on the NY subway with an AVP. For spatial computing to really work properly in a vehicle I think you need to keep track of both the world coordinate system and on…
The Vision Pro works in the passenger seat if you turn on travel mode, ideally prior to starting to move. It would probably allow for you to use it in the driver’s seat as well, but I’m not quite insane enough to check. Windows in this mode stick to the relative position of your head, but they stay fixed relative to the orientation. The pass through is pretty good, even at night, low latency and good enough clarity f…
Even still an airbag to the face with that in won't be pretty.
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#7Maybe controversial, but I don't personally see an intrinsic problem with people wearing these things while driving so long as the passthrough is sufficiently low latency and has high enough resolution/fov. Of course the running apps need to not be too distracting, depending on how autonomous the car is. I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's fiel…
> I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's field of vision so they don't have to glance at their dash speedometer or navigation device all the time.
Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing. They are fairly good/useful.
No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social media, messaging etc. Headset likely to cause physical damage to yourself in a crash as well when the airbag goes off.
Wearing a general purpose interactive device while driving is bad for all the reasons why using a mobile phone while driving is illegal in many places. You are not concentrating on the road, you are distracted.
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#8Maybe controversial, but I don't personally see an intrinsic problem with people wearing these things while driving so long as the passthrough is sufficiently low latency and has high enough resolution/fov. Of course the running apps need to not be too distracting, depending on how autonomous the car is. I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's fiel…
> I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's field of vision so they don't have to glance at their dash speedometer or navigation device all the time. Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing. They are fairly good/useful. No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social medi…
> Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing
Sure, but a lot of cars don't have them, and that's just the speedometer, not the speed limit or navigation directions (which are usually what I'm glancing at my phone's map app to check)
> No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social media, messaging etc.
I would hope they'd implement a driving mode that suppresses those kinds of distractions, but having that mode at all would need to be preceded by society acknowledging that these devices aren't fundamentally incompatible with driving. Note that my comment said I don't have an intrinsic problem with these kinds of devices being used. The current implementation of them may be sub-par, but I don't feel like there's any fundamental issue here.
> Headset likely to cause physical damage to yourself in a crash as well when the airbag goes off
That's a valid concern that I hadn't thought of, but we don't generally ban other unnecessary head gear in cars for that reason (sunglasses?), and it would apply just as much to passengers.
> you are distracted.
I don't think that's an absolute. You can potentially use it as a distraction, or you can use it responsibly, just like anything else.
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's field of vision so they don't have to glance at their dash speedometer or navigation device all the time. Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing. They are fairly good/useful. No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social medi…
> Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing Sure, but a lot of cars don't have them, and that's just the speedometer, not the speed limit or navigation directions (which are usually what I'm glancing at my phone's map app to check) > No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social media, messaging etc. I would hope they'd implement a drivin…
> That's a valid concern that I hadn't thought of, but we don't generally ban other unnecessary head gear in cars for that reason (sunglasses?), and it would apply just as much to passengers.
There is a lot less mass/material to a pair of sunglasses than there is to a VR headset, though.
I would think its also worth mentioning the restricted peripheral vision you'll have when wearing a headset, too.
Re: Drivers using Apple Vision Pro headsets prompt road safety concerns
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I could honestly see them being a net positive to road focus by overlaying speed and navigation on the user's field of vision so they don't have to glance at their dash speedometer or navigation device all the time. Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing. They are fairly good/useful. No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social medi…
> Heads up displays projecting basic speed etc on to a windscreen are already a thing Sure, but a lot of cars don't have them, and that's just the speedometer, not the speed limit or navigation directions (which are usually what I'm glancing at my phone's map app to check) > No need to wear a headset being bombarded with irrelevant notifications from social media, messaging etc. I would hope they'd implement a drivin…
> You can potentially use it as a distraction, or you can use it responsibly, just like anything else.
I lack the imagination for a responsible use case that isn't already covered by existing technology, and outweighs the risks related to a visual dependency strapped to your head running on battery.
Any suggestions? Otherwise, current assumption is that it's a case of wanting to make a point of owning something novel.