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NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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Re: NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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Maybe this is a naive question, but if the information is for sale, why would the government need a warrant?

If the government is doing it as an end run around the fourth amendment then that should be illegal.

Re: NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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Maybe this is a naive question, but if the information is for sale, why would the government need a warrant?

The fact that it is with or without warrants is almost completely irrelevant in the article itself. The headline is misleading.

Re: NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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Maybe this is a naive question, but if the information is for sale, why would the government need a warrant?

If the government is doing it as an end run around the fourth amendment then that should be illegal.

But they are though? I agree that intrinsic privacy rights should prevent this. But the fact is this data is freely available, it's public information, the individual has released it appropriately. The problem isn't the govt using public data, the problem is that the data is public. You simply cannot have a privacy concern when you've agreed for it to not be private in the first place.

Re: NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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Maybe this is a naive question, but if the information is for sale, why would the government need a warrant?

If the government is doing it as an end run around the fourth amendment then that should be illegal.

Why would it be legal for a person or company to buy this publicly offered information but illegal for the government?

Re: NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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I'm trying to think through this from a legal perspective.

If I'm going from store-to-store around town, my understanding is that police are allowed to watch me and even go into the businesses and ask questions or pull security footage without a warrant. The information they gather is circumstantial and probably would not hold up in court, but they can use it as grounds to get a warrant.

Let's imagine a different case. Instead of police having to go in and ask nicely for customer logs and security footage, the owner happens to have meticulous notes that he keeps and sells to randos around town. Creepy... but it's largely the same data that they could have gotten by asking nicely enough anyway.

If there is no law against the proprietor bundling up his customer data and selling it, it doesn't seem like there is a strong legal case against police using it.

Obviously, this is a MUCH bigger problem on the internet than in real life - just in the huge difference in scale in the amount of data and the ability to parse it.

Re: NSA Buys Americans' Internet Data Without Warrants, Unclassified Letter Says

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Maybe this is a naive question, but if the information is for sale, why would the government need a warrant?

Fourth Amendment.

Here’s the answer in depth:

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/when-the-government-buy...

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