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United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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"Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus."

Is it just me or is every player in the dramatis personae dancing around this and/or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it's like everyone's saying "we're considering alternatives to turning left"

Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F'd around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on becoming an engineering-led firm cranking out superior products & services.

If we're being honest, I think the same is true of Google/Alphabet.

Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous.

I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare minimum.

Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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A better question is what will Southwest Airlines do? They exclusively run 737s as I understand it and they effectively have no choice here to beta test Boeing's garbage.

I think United CEO's comment is at best a renegotiation attempt.

Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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post #4

"Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus." Is it just me or is every player in the dramatis personae dancing around this and/or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it'…

Bombardier is out of passenger jet business - they sold it to Airbus and now they focus exclusively on business jets.

Re: United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

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post #5

Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F'd around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on b…

They also have a captive market which is why they can get away with this. Switching plane manufacturers is a long process around pilot and maintenance retraining. Additionally orders for planes go out years and years in advance and you can't just call Airbus and ask for new planes next week. I think it's inevitable consequence of no competition in the market.

Boeing is the stadium food of planes, poor quality & expensive, but if you're hungry you still eat it.

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