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From Vexing Uncertainty to Intellectual Humility

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It appears this person's high intelligence helped them cope with an otherwise very hard to treat condition.

More equanimity than intelligence, and probably more epistemic humility than 'intellectual humility'

> It is not important to know where the voices are coming from. It had just been demonstrated to me that prior to turning around I did not know their origin, and yet I was comfortable having taken on the “mere belief,” and as it turned out the false belief, that nobody was there. [...] And after I was forced to change my belief, it was still fine.

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This resonates deeply with me. Though I don't have schizophrenia, I had social anxiety and general anxiety for many years.

One example of how this mindset worked for me is probably best demonstrated by my experience with sleep paralysis. My anxiety kept me tossing and turning in bed, and I would eventually fall unconscious due to exhaustion - triggering sleep paralysis. I of course developed fear of sleep paralysis and thus going to bed made me anxious... cue vicious cycle.

How did I break the cycle? I had to develop a joy for sleep paralysis. A genuine interest and joy for that experience. Once I started to look forward to it, the vicious cycle was broken and I no longer got sleep paralysis. It was the ultimate reframe. I psyched myself out.

I eventually started to apply that same principal to other anxieties and insecurities and things just started to melt away.

A vicious cycle of sleep paralysis is pit of hell though. I don't recommend it.

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Around five years ago when trying to adjust medications for a chronic condition I dropped CBD from the cannabis I was using and was using a strong dose of THC only for a few weeks every night.

Which threw me into a schizo affective episode.

It was really crazy, in all senses of the word.

Coming out of it, I learned a number of things (including the research around the surprising effectiveness of CBD at not only mitigating the psychosis that can occur with THC consumption, but even with schizophrenia itself).

One of the lessons that most stuck with me was just how terrible it was to feel disconnected from reality and to not be able to trust my own brain, something I'd relied on for decades.

I've been very physically ill at points in life, but those few weeks until my brain chemistry normalized again were probably my lowest point ever. I was left with a newfound respect and sympathy for people who must go through life with that always and not just as a temporary burden.

And even in that short period, as the author describes there was quickly a balancing act to the psychosis. I pictured it as a series of multi-axis sliders where as my brain would wander more towards delusions of grandeur so too came delusions of paranoia (if you're important, then you are important enough to persecute - if you aren't important, then paranoia is more easily dismissed). There's a zen quality to managing a brain that varies and wanders far outside the boundaries of the norm. Though it can only be controlled or reasoned with to a moderate degree and ends up largely a practice of staying on the board riding the wave than dictating the ebb and flow of the sea.

I was very grateful when it subsided and I was able to identify the culprit, and my heart goes out to the people who don't have an off switch to toggle. 0/5 stars - would not recommend.

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Around five years ago when trying to adjust medications for a chronic condition I dropped CBD from the cannabis I was using and was using a strong dose of THC only for a few weeks every night. Which threw me into a schizo affective episode. It was really crazy, in all senses of the word. Coming out of it, I learned a number of things (including the research around the surprising effectiveness of CBD at not only mitig…

I am happy for you that you were able to go out of the THC induced schizophrenia. Many people do not.

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Around five years ago when trying to adjust medications for a chronic condition I dropped CBD from the cannabis I was using and was using a strong dose of THC only for a few weeks every night. Which threw me into a schizo affective episode. It was really crazy, in all senses of the word. Coming out of it, I learned a number of things (including the research around the surprising effectiveness of CBD at not only mitig…

I am happy for you that you were able to go out of the THC induced schizophrenia. Many people do not.

Well, there's a spectrum of different things. One is THC inducing actual schizophrenia. Less than that is a schizo affective episode. And less than that is something I've been increasingly suspecting is taking place as dispensaries move to THC only strains and breed out the CBD of just broadly disassociative thinking. I've noticed an increase in some wild conspiratorial thinking among people I know that regularly use THC sans CBD which isn't a full blown psychotic episode, but is distinctly unsettling.

So yes, I agree that I was fortunate. But like with most things, it's a nuanced gradient and not an absolute dichotomy.

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This resonates deeply with me. Though I don't have schizophrenia, I had social anxiety and general anxiety for many years. One example of how this mindset worked for me is probably best demonstrated by my experience with sleep paralysis. My anxiety kept me tossing and turning in bed, and I would eventually fall unconscious due to exhaustion - triggering sleep paralysis. I of course developed fear of sleep paralysis a…

I'm really glad to hear that you found a way to deal with this. As someone who has dealt with generalised anxiety / panic disorder, it always deeply heartens me to read stories of people who have found some relief.

Similarly, I have made a lot of progress through lifestyle changes, but also through reframing. In my case, I try to not worry about the worry, and instead experience it as transient physical and mental sensations (which it is of course). I also find that an attitude of compassion and kindness helps, to direct that feeling to myself. It's something I picked up for Buddhist practice, but compassion practices can be a very very powerful antidote to fear and anxiety for anyone. Generally, the approach is not just passive mindfulness, but active in the sense of actively trying to cultivate a counteracting emotion in the mind / body.

So I guess this is somewhat related to what you're saying. I sort of reprogrammed myself.

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This resonates deeply with me. Though I don't have schizophrenia, I had social anxiety and general anxiety for many years. One example of how this mindset worked for me is probably best demonstrated by my experience with sleep paralysis. My anxiety kept me tossing and turning in bed, and I would eventually fall unconscious due to exhaustion - triggering sleep paralysis. I of course developed fear of sleep paralysis a…

I had a similar experience with sleep paralysis, although may have went a few steps further. Not only did I manage to replace my fear with curiosity about it and compile a file folder of info about sleep paralysis and hypnogogic states (all from that blessed early 2000's Internet and an old inkjet, mind you), but I went so far as to start seeking ways to induce it, everything from psychotropic cocktails to just trying to fall asleep in very specific positions. I never did succeed, but I still experience sleep paralysis about 2 - 3 times a month. Now, it us just sort of a boring/annoying experience.

I also suffer from GAD and asthma and believe them to be connected to incidents of sleep paralysis. Both actively work against achieving "restful" sleep, regularly interrupting the sleep cycle which creates a bit of a feedback loop, as you can imagine. With that in mind, I posit that people who experience a lot if disrupted sleep are more sensitive to the transition between the wakeful and sleeping states, which is where the sleep paralysis occurs.

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