Poor Man's Web
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Poor Man's Web
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#2The article title didn't express what this was about, but it seems seems to be a revival of the old, pre-WWW web, via a new protocol Gemini.
I'm not sure why it's "poor man's" web, other than being minimalistic (text and images only.) I thought the phrase meant something less desirable to use, less capable. But this could be genuinely pleasant!
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#3People keep trying to make Gemini happen.
I will keep repeating that in its quest for simplicity Gemini threw the baby out of with the water.
Basic styling and inline images are invaluable.
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#4Gemini protocol using :// again. I feel like more people should watch Dylan Beattle's "The Web that Never Was" presentation.
> gem:my.domain.com/hello
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#5People keep trying to make Gemini happen. I will keep repeating that in its quest for simplicity Gemini threw the baby out of with the water. Basic styling and inline images are invaluable.
I agree that basic styling and in-line images add something, but I like how Gemini strips so much faff out that the prose and links must stand strongly on their own.
I've taken to writing my markdown and other documetns simiarly. Cory Doctorow does something similar.
https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/20/em-oh-you-ess-ee/#sexytim...
We don't need Gemini. We can get the feeling of the Smol Web by just choosing an effective subset of the features of HTML.
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#6Love Gemini but it really could use inline images.
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#7People keep trying to make Gemini happen. I will keep repeating that in its quest for simplicity Gemini threw the baby out of with the water. Basic styling and inline images are invaluable.
I agree that basic styling and in-line images add something, but I like how Gemini strips so much faff out that the prose and links must stand strongly on their own. I've taken to writing my markdown and other documetns simiarly. Cory Doctorow does something similar. https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/20/em-oh-you-ess-ee/#sexytim... We don't need Gemini. We can get the feeling of the Smol Web by just choosing an effecti…
> I like how Gemini strips so much faff out that the prose and links must stand strongly on their own.
I don't think that's working at all. Their website is so unapproachable bad, that it fails in selling me reasons why I should even care about this or read further. Letting something standing on its own only really works well if you have a small amount to deliver. Any slightly lengthy text will just bury you in a desert of letters.
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#8People keep trying to make Gemini happen. I will keep repeating that in its quest for simplicity Gemini threw the baby out of with the water. Basic styling and inline images are invaluable.
I agree that basic styling and in-line images add something, but I like how Gemini strips so much faff out that the prose and links must stand strongly on their own. I've taken to writing my markdown and other documetns simiarly. Cory Doctorow does something similar. https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/20/em-oh-you-ess-ee/#sexytim... We don't need Gemini. We can get the feeling of the Smol Web by just choosing an effecti…
Entirely this.
I feel that if there were some way of promoting a Javascript-free web, everything the world needs is already there in all modern browsers.
I suspect that between HTML5, and indeed XHTML, and CSS and all the many modern image formats and so on, everything important that almost any site needs could be done using these tools and no JS at all.
And the result could also be interpreted and rendered successfully by much smaller simpler browsers, along the lines of Netsurf and Dillo, which are 10% of the size of a full dynamic-content browser or less.
The question is how.
A contest? Make the richest website you can that uses no Javascript, Typescript or anything else, and win a prize as well as promotion?
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#9People keep trying to make Gemini happen. I will keep repeating that in its quest for simplicity Gemini threw the baby out of with the water. Basic styling and inline images are invaluable.
I agree that basic styling and in-line images add something, but I like how Gemini strips so much faff out that the prose and links must stand strongly on their own. I've taken to writing my markdown and other documetns simiarly. Cory Doctorow does something similar. https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/20/em-oh-you-ess-ee/#sexytim... We don't need Gemini. We can get the feeling of the Smol Web by just choosing an effecti…
Not sure if going back to 2008 or so pre-HTML5 will prevent people from injecting kilobyes and megabytes of JS libraries or nesting dozens of divs because reasons.
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#10I am under the impression that an unstated design objective of gemini was preventing eternal september by trading it off for staying an eternal echo chamber tobe inhabited only by people smart enough to write their own client and server software.