Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#2Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour.
https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05...
Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only good outcome is that this costs them an enormous sum of money, and every scumbag manager involved in this behaviour lose their jobs.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#3Masimo, the company who is suing apple, has a market cap around ~$6B. Apple's wearable business (which might include the audio products as well, I guess), at least according to the article, "generated $13.48 billion in revenue". Don't think this is as big of a threat as someone like Samsung suing iPhone.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#4Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…
Masimo is a $billions dollar company. The description of a “David and Goliath” battle is a tad misleading.
Sure, they acted scummy, but this is just typical BigCorp behavior where one huge corporation steals from another huge corporation.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#5Masimo, the company who is suing apple, has a market cap around ~$6B. Apple's wearable business (which might include the audio products as well, I guess), at least according to the article, "generated $13.48 billion in revenue". Don't think this is as big of a threat as someone like Samsung suing iPhone.
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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#6Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…
Masimo is a $billions dollar company. The description of a “David and Goliath” battle is a tad misleading. Sure, they acted scummy, but this is just typical BigCorp behavior where one huge corporation steals from another huge corporation.
They aren't the "little guy", but at the same time Apple is a $trillionX3 dollar company, so David vs Goliath seems pretty fair. It is a tiny operation relative to Apple.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#7Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…
Masimo is a $billions dollar company. The description of a “David and Goliath” battle is a tad misleading. Sure, they acted scummy, but this is just typical BigCorp behavior where one huge corporation steals from another huge corporation.
How much bigger than David was Goliath? 2x perhaps?
Apple is over 500x bigger than Masimo. 6B vs 3000B+
The amount I rounded down on Apple's market cap (32B) is over 5x bigger itself.
They're not even in the same ballpark to be just "two huge corporations"
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#8Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…
This is not obvious at all. Even Maximo's case has been whittled down from 103 instances of infringement to just 5:
> In its initial filing with the ITC, Masimo accused Apple of 103 instances of patent infringement across five different patents. However, the ITC found that Apple infringed on only two patents, covering five different instances of patent infringements
This is a borderline case and a final decision has not been made. Patent decisions are often in a gray area.
The article you link to is extremely opinionated and it's just as easy to argue the opposite. I.e. Masimo complains that Apple poached some of their employees by paying them more. Well, why wouldn't Masimo pay them what they're worth? Companies try to hire experts away from other companies all the time, and this is good because it pushes up salaries for those experts and fairly rewards them for their expertise.
Masimo isn't some mom-and-pop shop. They have revenue of $1.24 billion. They know what they're doing.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#9Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…
Nor is Apple copying their tech the “kiss of death” that the article mentions, as Masimo makes primarily medical/hospital equipment. The majority of their equipment is sold to other businesses or through medical suppliers. Seeing as how they claim to own 90% of the hospital O2 monitoring market, I think they’re doing just fine.
Once again, this isn’t Apple stealing tech from Joe Shmoe. This is just standard legalistic BigCorp infighting, corporate backstabbing, brain drain/theft, etc.
Side note - I love the infant sp02 tape monitors they have, as they work incredibly well for use on adults with poor extremity perfusion. Earlobe usually works great.
Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week
#10Initially I presumed this was a patent troll sitting on something obvious and trying to extort a big player. Reading about the actual story reveals a very different situation, and it's one in which Apple needs to pay an extremely heavy toll for scumbag behaviour. https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2023-10-05... Apple did precisely the sorts of things that big companies are reviled for, and the only goo…
Masimo is a $billions dollar company. The description of a “David and Goliath” battle is a tad misleading. Sure, they acted scummy, but this is just typical BigCorp behavior where one huge corporation steals from another huge corporation.
I disagree.
> Apple, of course, is one of the largest and most powerful companies in history — it’s the first to hit a $3-trillion — that’s trillion, with a T — market cap.
Apple is at least 100 times bigger than Masimo, 500x based on the numbers in the article. Sounds David and Goliath to me.
Add in the despicable behavior and you've got a story where real life is more than fiction could do.