Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
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Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
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Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#3AVM recently announced that the business might be sold by the founders. This law suit somehow seems to me that the price for the company should be influenced artificially.
On the other hand China just saw protectionism by the US happening and now they are shifting gears. How long will it take until sanctions by the US will be useless?
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#4Today I learned SEPs, standard essential patents, are a thing. How on earth adhering to a public standard can be considered an invention is beyond me, nor is how we got to the point that it is common enough to require its own special treatment.
Maybe someone can change my mind on why this is an invention worth monopolising, but I doubt it.
Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#5I looked at the patent EP3337077B1... It is utter rent-seeking nonsense.
Patents are supposed to be for innovation, the patent literally just claims adding a field to a packet indicating if it's for a single user or multiple is a novel invention.
Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#6AVM is notorious for GPL violations. I cannot say anything about these patents (aside from stating the fact that all software patents are bogus, because math cannot be patented), but I would not be surprised if they intentionally violated them.
Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#7AVM is notorious for GPL violations. I cannot say anything about these patents (aside from stating the fact that all software patents are bogus, because math cannot be patented), but I would not be surprised if they intentionally violated them.
I wasn't aware of that, do you have sources?
It's really odd seeing Chinese companies taking someone to court for IP infringement given that that is the modus operandi of Chinese companies and has been for decades.
Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#8Today I learned SEPs, standard essential patents, are a thing. How on earth adhering to a public standard can be considered an invention is beyond me, nor is how we got to the point that it is common enough to require its own special treatment. Maybe someone can change my mind on why this is an invention worth monopolising, but I doubt it.
It goes the other way around.
First you make the tech (and the patents associated with it) and then push it through the standards body to make it part of a standard. That is the point when it becomes a standard essential patent.
Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#9Today I learned SEPs, standard essential patents, are a thing. How on earth adhering to a public standard can be considered an invention is beyond me, nor is how we got to the point that it is common enough to require its own special treatment. Maybe someone can change my mind on why this is an invention worth monopolising, but I doubt it.
The idea is you have an invention and then try to have the standard require your invention. The parties that create the standard are supposed to declare the patents they have that cover the standard and then typically there is some licensing authority where manufacturers can pay a fee to have a license for all the patents involved.
On one hand it’s reasonable because the inventors spent money on researching the new things that are in the new standard. On the other hand it can be rather unfortunate, especially if it’s software, because with open-source there is no way to pay and get a license.
Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents
#10Decisions by regional courts are completely irrelevant. They often get reversed by the higher courts, especially in tech cases. Hamburg is more notorious for this, but it's the same for the one here in Munich. Until the higher regional court decides (and maybe the BGH after that) there's no chance that a sales ban will be enacted.