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California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by noodlesUK »

I’m enthusiastic about the longer term future of solutions like this. Current IDs can’t do data minimization very easily, but phone-based solutions can. You should be able to get a permission prompt saying “drug store wants to know your >18/21 status” and not hand over any other data. Of course this requires regulatory oversight to ensure that the stores don’t just ask for all the perms available.

However, does this implement the ISO spec for drivers licenses in Apple/google wallet, or is this some home grown thing?

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by Xeoncross »

noodlesUK wrote: post #4

I’m enthusiastic about the longer term future of solutions like this. Current IDs can’t do data minimization very easily, but phone-based solutions can. You should be able to get a permission prompt saying “drug store wants to know your >18/21 status” and not hand over any other data. Of course this requires regulatory oversight to ensure that the stores don’t just ask for all the perms available. However, does this…

It also ensures that in the future all law enforcement and government agencies will have access to your personal device because "everyone's doing it" and why would you be the weird person that doesn't want to unlock it and hand it over for them to scan and verify everything?

After all, it's simple, safe and easy!

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by kornhole »

I assume the app will attempt to tie my device identifiers such as IMEI, phone number, and advertiser ID to my government digital ID. Then they can tie it to other ID's such as Facebook or other app ID's on the device that also read device identifiers. It probably would fail to install on my Graphene phone that treats all apps as hostile by blocking them from reading any device identifiers. I would rather wait with the rest of people in lines than submit to this.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by noodlesUK »

Xeoncross wrote: post #5
noodlesUK wrote: post #4

I’m enthusiastic about the longer term future of solutions like this. Current IDs can’t do data minimization very easily, but phone-based solutions can. You should be able to get a permission prompt saying “drug store wants to know your >18/21 status” and not hand over any other data. Of course this requires regulatory oversight to ensure that the stores don’t just ask for all the perms available. However, does this…

It also ensures that in the future all law enforcement and government agencies will have access to your personal device because "everyone's doing it" and why would you be the weird person that doesn't want to unlock it and hand it over for them to scan and verify everything? After all, it's simple, safe and easy!

If anything this will improve things if Apple/Google allow you to hand over the phone without fully unlocking it to present ID (and other stuff like proof of insurance). The cop would then have to go back to you and get you to unlock it a second time. If they’re using a home grown app, that doesn’t work.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Post by tomohelix »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #2

Obligatory - do not hand your unlocked phone over to a cop

Unfortunately, people who are aware of this won't even use this thing anyway and many who are exploitable would be tricked into giving their phone to the police.

I hate how police is legally allowed to lie and psychologically trick/pressure people into things they would not normally do. It makes me distrust and question everything they do and say, i.e. being uncooperative to them. Which they then can use as an excuse to escalate and detain or get violent to me.

Interacting with the police is a terrible experience no matter how upright you are because even if you are faultless, they can still make up shit to mess with your day, or life.

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