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Ask HN: Give 8 year old access to Chat GPT?

#1
My 8 year old daughter loves using Chat GPT / Dall-E to generate images. She also loves to ask the AI questions.

Has anyone given their child access on their own device (she has an iPad) and had any good / bad experiences? Any thoughts on how to do this in a way that doesn't expose her to everything in the world?

Re: Ask HN: Give 8 year old access to Chat GPT?

#4
How do I put this?

Assuming that a given LLM was trained on N percent of the Internet, then exposing your kid to that LLM is, given sufficient time and API spend, exposing them to everything in that N percent.

So, I leave it to you to determine how comfortable you are allowing your child to more or less freely experience N percent of the Internet.

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post #4

How do I put this? Assuming that a given LLM was trained on N percent of the Internet, then exposing your kid to that LLM is, given sufficient time and API spend, exposing them to everything in that N percent. So, I leave it to you to determine how comfortable you are allowing your child to more or less freely experience N percent of the Internet.

This isn't how LLMs work - they're trained to be helpful and give correct responses. You could argue to what extent that's achieved but the point is that it's not a weighted average of the internet, it's been fine-tuned towards correctness and helpfulness.

Re: Ask HN: Give 8 year old access to Chat GPT?

#6
I would.

Keep logs, review anything that needs attention. Don't keep it a secret. Make sure they view it as a tool.

I would be so much farther ahead if I had chatGPT to answer all my questions at 8 years old. I had books, at least.

Re: Ask HN: Give 8 year old access to Chat GPT?

#8
Personally I would vote "no" regardless of whether I had confidence the kid wouldn't be exposed to the dregs of the Internet, for two reasons:

1. LLMs are I think pretty inarguably bad at answering certain types of questions in a factually accurate way, at least without nontrivial prompt engineering. I don't think many 8 year-olds will recognize which types of questions the LLM will give inaccurate answers to, or be ready for the sort of prompt engineering that'd be required to mitigate this.

2. Learning is of course more than simply obtaining and memorizing facts. You don't want to overfit your kid - you want them to have to struggle a bit for their understanding so that it generalizes. Sure, formulating questions is part of that process, but there's something to be said for having to sift through pages of search results (or even better, from a learning standpoint, searching through the pages of a book they had to find on a library or bookstore shelf). It's like the old idiom, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Better to teach your kid to fish (and for knowledge/understanding, not mere facts).

As for image generation, I suspect you'd find more inappropriate content come up there than with a chatbot - and teaching the kid to draw, paint, etc would probably be better for their development.

Re: Ask HN: Give 8 year old access to Chat GPT?

#9
Giving children free access to the Internet is already a risky proposal that can easily lead to them finding inappropriate content. Content creators push toxic belief systems, narratives, marketing strategies to sell even things they don't believe in. In other words, the Internet is actively trying to harm you for profit and it's on the user to avoid it. I still think the benefits outweigh the good - mainly access to information, communities and entertainment.

The AI on the other hand is designed to avoid hurting people's feelings even though it often fails or gives incorrect answers, it's damage is not seeking you out. I don't have children but if I did I want to believe that I would either not give them any technology or give them all of it and try to show the importance of critical thinking on the side (though they may do it naturally without your help, only one way to find out).

Great question by the way.

Re: Ask HN: Give 8 year old access to Chat GPT?

#10
post #4

How do I put this? Assuming that a given LLM was trained on N percent of the Internet, then exposing your kid to that LLM is, given sufficient time and API spend, exposing them to everything in that N percent. So, I leave it to you to determine how comfortable you are allowing your child to more or less freely experience N percent of the Internet.

Thats like saying they shouldn’t talk to their grandfather because he is a war veteran? Grandfather knows what is appropriate to say to an 8 year old. ChatGPT is well trained not to spout out “bad stuff”. Try to get it to - if you can it requires an elaborate trick.
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