Today Is One of the Biggest Surveillance Votes. Will the FBI Stop Spying?

#1

Post by hungiri » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:01 PM UTC

Re: Today Is One of the Biggest Surveillance Votes. Will the FBI Stop Spying?

#2

Post by the-dude » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:34 PM UTC

No.

#3

Post by rmellow » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

the-dude wrote: post #2

No.

aka Betteridge's Law of Headlines.

#4

Post by DeathArrow » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

Spying in the Land of the Free®?

#5

Post by 0ckpuppet » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:44 PM UTC

you mean spying on American citizens without a warrant?

#6

Post by the-dude » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:49 PM UTC

rmellow wrote: post #3

the-dude wrote: post #2

No.

aka Betteridge's Law of Headlines.

But we all know that. And it is so much more characters. HN was struggling already.

#7

Post by alwaysrunning » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:52 PM UTC

Of course it will pass. The government will never willingly give up power and will only seek ways to expand it.

#8

Post by WarOnPrivacy » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:52 PM UTC

0ckpuppet wrote: post #5

you mean spying on American citizens without a warrant?

And spying on citizens not suspected of a crime.

#9

Post by MSFT_Edging » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:53 PM UTC

alwaysrunning wrote: post #7

Of course it will pass. The government will never willingly give up power and will only seek ways to expand it.

American Exceptionalism means the power is derived from being able to make exceptions to the rules.

#10

Post by dannyw » Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 1:54 PM UTC

Mass surveillance is antithetical to liberty, but direct, concrete harm is hard to identify.

The surveillance complex has been pretty good at using secrecy, and perhaps even good internal controls, to limit everyday impact.

How can we find real harms to win this fight? Or how can we get people to care?