Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#2Get yourself a big old tub of anhydrous citric acid from Amazon or wherever, make up a 10% solution and use that in place of rinse aid. Just check with your dishwasher manufacturer that it’s not going to cause issues first.
I got a new Miele unit a few months ago and the manual specifically advises the use of such a solution, with caution not to make it any stronger.
It’s been working like a charm.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#3(2022)
1 year ago, 411 comments : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33822149
Got triggered by epithelial.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#4I wonder if putting the dishwasher in soft water mode will also reduce the risk of this. Should use less rinse aid then.
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#5Can someone who understands more about chemistry tell me where exactly which detergents use alcohol ethoxylates and how do I spot them from the label? Should I be concerned about this at home?
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#6I wonder if putting the dishwasher in soft water mode will also reduce the risk of this. Should use less rinse aid then.
Doesn't the software/hard water mode just affect how much the ion exchanger (filled with salt) is used?
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#7Ok, this is posed to generate some sensationalist headlines. Do we get these concentrations with regular use in a dishwasher? Does it have cumulative exposure effects? Does it even reach the gut lining after digestion enzymes and acids?
From the summary it seems that they only investigated the dose dependent toxicity.
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#8Get yourself a big old tub of anhydrous citric acid from Amazon or wherever, make up a 10% solution and use that in place of rinse aid. Just check with your dishwasher manufacturer that it’s not going to cause issues first. I got a new Miele unit a few months ago and the manual specifically advises the use of such a solution, with caution not to make it any stronger. It’s been working like a charm.
Doing the same for rinse aid. Didn’t find a practical alternative for the main cleaning solution.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#9Get yourself a big old tub of anhydrous citric acid from Amazon or wherever, make up a 10% solution and use that in place of rinse aid. Just check with your dishwasher manufacturer that it’s not going to cause issues first. I got a new Miele unit a few months ago and the manual specifically advises the use of such a solution, with caution not to make it any stronger. It’s been working like a charm.
What are the advantages over plain vinegar? Been using that my whole life without any concern beyond wanting to avoid expensive rinse aids.
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#10Scientists create a layer of intestinal epithelial cells in a lab, minus all the other components in your intestine, then expose them to high concentrations of detergent and rinse aid.
Turns out cells don’t like it.
Who’d a thunk it?