It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
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#2> In other words, it's A-OK for your car to "automatically and without authorization, instantaneously intercept, record, download, store, and [be] capable of transmitting" text messages and call logs since the privacy violation is potential, but the injury not necessarily actual.
So it's effectively legal to sell backdoored hardware and software to spy on people. I wonder what would happen if I sold backdoored phones to Volkswagen employees, execs, and their children. To judges and politicians and lawyers. A-OK until there was "actual injury", and even then, it is only the injury that would be wrong?
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#3> In other words, it's A-OK for your car to "automatically and without authorization , instantaneously intercept, record, download, store, and [be] capable of transmitting" text messages and call logs since the privacy violation is potential, but the injury not necessarily actual. So it's effectively legal to sell backdoored hardware and software to spy on people. I wonder what would happen if I sold backdoored phone…
> A-OK until there was "actual injury", and even then, it is only the injury that would be wrong?
Hah! No, they argue that the injury is right.
For example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-tr...
After the diplomat assassination kerfuffle, it appears that Canada invoked a communications backdoor for national security purposes. It's hard to feel bad for the dimwitted killers who plotted the entire thing on a smartphone, but it's also a statement about how widespread and de-facto surveillance is today. Even when backdoors surface, we shrug them off.
So... yeah. Until there is actual injury, and the injury isn't someone who people don't like and also don't care about. Then it will be a problem, and God help us all then.
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#4> In other words, it's A-OK for your car to "automatically and without authorization , instantaneously intercept, record, download, store, and [be] capable of transmitting" text messages and call logs since the privacy violation is potential, but the injury not necessarily actual. So it's effectively legal to sell backdoored hardware and software to spy on people. I wonder what would happen if I sold backdoored phone…
> A-OK until there was "actual injury", and even then, it is only the injury that would be wrong? Hah! No, they argue that the injury is right . For example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-tr... After the diplomat assassination kerfuffle, it appears that Canada invoked a communications backdoor for national security purposes. It's hard to feel bad for the dimwitted killers who plotted the e…
Let's keep our older cars on the road as long as possible.
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#5This is why I would not consider connecting my phone to anything other than CarPlay/Android Auto.
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#6Another reason to prefer Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#7This is why I would not consider connecting my phone to anything other than CarPlay/Android Auto.
Both of which require Bluetooth pairing (or at least auto-pair without asking you if I recall correctly) which allows the head unit to siphon data!
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#8> In other words, it's A-OK for your car to "automatically and without authorization , instantaneously intercept, record, download, store, and [be] capable of transmitting" text messages and call logs since the privacy violation is potential, but the injury not necessarily actual. So it's effectively legal to sell backdoored hardware and software to spy on people. I wonder what would happen if I sold backdoored phone…
This is a decision made regarding Washington state law’s “statutory injury requirement” [1].
It says “a plaintiff must allege an injury to ‘his or her business, his or her person, or his or her reputation,’” with “a bare violation” of the privacy law being “insufficient to satisfy the statutory injury requirement.”
It is particular to Washington state, not all Americans. And it may not apply to a prosecutor versus private plaintiff.
[1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24133084-22-35448
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#9This is why I would not consider connecting my phone to anything other than CarPlay/Android Auto.
Both of which require Bluetooth pairing (or at least auto-pair without asking you if I recall correctly) which allows the head unit to siphon data!
Apple CarPlay works over my USB-C cable, at least in my 2018 Subaru Crosstrek on an iPhone 15. No Bluetooth required I am fairly certain. I also have to unlock the device every so often with my Face ID -- unsure what triggers this as it is not 100% of the time.
Re: It's perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A-OK until there was "actual injury", and even then, it is only the injury that would be wrong? Hah! No, they argue that the injury is right . For example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-tr... After the diplomat assassination kerfuffle, it appears that Canada invoked a communications backdoor for national security purposes. It's hard to feel bad for the dimwitted killers who plotted the e…
Let's keep our older cars on the road as long as possible.
Let’s face it, in an energy starved world the car of the future is an e-bike. Side effect it’s free of connected BS. So far…