8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by webmobdev » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:11 PM UTC

8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple
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Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by nullindividual » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:17 PM UTC

That's certain one of the statements of all time.

All major OSes compress memory at this point. I'd be curious to see how OoM acts on macOS -- I've seen it on Windows [NT4] and Linux over the years. I've not seen an OS handle it as well as NT does/did.

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by IronWolve » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:31 PM UTC

I just upgraded my windows workstation to 128gigs so i could load larger language models for only $300. 8 gigs seems rather absurd of apple.

Apple charges 200 bux for 16 gigs or 400 bux for 24 gigs.

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by madjam002 » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:32 PM UTC

Hah, reminds me of when they tried to justify having a max of 16GB of memory

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by nwmcsween » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:39 PM UTC

Apple 100% knows Windows and Linux does memory compression, this is just a way of deflecting the actual issue of tiny amounts of ram.

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by itg » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:39 PM UTC

Well most pc laptops allow you to upgrade the ram. Upgraded mine to 64gb for about $125. How much is that analogous to, Apple?

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by JohnFen » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:44 PM UTC

nullindividual wrote: post #2

That's certain one of the statements of all time. All major OSes compress memory at this point. I'd be curious to see how OoM acts on macOS -- I've seen it on Windows [NT4] and Linux over the years. I've not seen an OS handle it as well as NT does/did.

Does Debian do this by default? If so, can I disable it for a performance increase?

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:48 PM UTC

nwmcsween wrote: post #5

Apple 100% knows Windows and Linux does memory compression, this is just a way of deflecting the actual issue of tiny amounts of ram.

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Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by ricardobeat » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:49 PM UTC

This is not news, has been the case since Intel macs, though the rise of Electron apps has reduced the MacOS advantage.

I do have an 8GB M1 mini I use for development and the only way to make it run out of memory is to run Docker, otherwise it's perfectly fine.

Re: 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple

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Post by stouset » Wed, Nov 08, 2023, 10:50 PM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #7

nullindividual wrote: post #2

That's certain one of the statements of all time. All major OSes compress memory at this point. I'd be curious to see how OoM acts on macOS -- I've seen it on Windows [NT4] and Linux over the years. I've not seen an OS handle it as well as NT does/did.

Does Debian do this by default? If so, can I disable it for a performance increase?

Compressed memory is a performance increase. CPUs are fast.